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  • Jury acquits leaders of Oregon standoff of federal charges

    Unbelievable,

    PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A jury delivered an extraordinary blow to the government Thursday in a long-running battle over the use of public lands when it acquitted all seven defendants involved in the armed occupation of a national wildlife refuge in rural southeastern Oregon.

    Tumult erupted in the courtroom after the verdicts were read when an attorney for group leader Ammon Bundy demanded his client be immediately released, repeatedly yelling at the judge. U.S. marshals tackled attorney Marcus Mumford to the ground, used a stun gun on him several times and arrested him.

    U.S. District Judge Anna Brown said she could not release Bundy because he still faces charges in Nevada stemming from an armed standoff at his father Cliven Bundy's ranch two years ago.

    The Portland jury acquitted Bundy, his brother Ryan Bundy and five others of conspiring to impede federal workers from their jobs at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, 300 miles southeast of Portland.

    Even attorneys for the defendants were surprised by the acquittals.
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

  • #2
    I bet the prosecutors in that case, along with the upper DOJ management were absolutely livid about that.

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    • #3
      Were court and jury from eastern Oregon by chance?
      Reaction to the 2016 Munich shootings:
      Europe: "We are shocked and support you in these harsh times, we stand by you."
      USA: "We will check people from Germany extra-hard and it is your own damn fault for being so stupid."

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      • #4
        White privilege?
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

        The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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        • #5
          That was unexpected......
          ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

          BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

          BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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          • #6
            I'd say the prosecution dropped the ball.

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            • #7
              That is the truism of jury trials: never count on an outcome.

              The bad thing about this is that the Feds will now be motivated to a more aggressive resolution method in order to get the occupiers to up the ante so they can go to court with sexier charges.

              And given the jury verdict, another band of morons will be pulling a similar stunt at some point.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Interview with Juror 4, the one that sent the note to the Judge about a biased juror, explains their thinking pretty clearly.

                http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-sta...rt_maj-story-1

                "It should be known that all 12 jurors felt that this verdict was a statement regarding the various failures of the prosecution to prove 'conspiracy' in the count itself – and not any form of affirmation of the defense's various beliefs, actions or aspirations,'' Juror 4 wrote Friday in a lengthy email to The Oregonian/OregonLive.
                The jury closely followed U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown's instructions on how to apply the law to the evidence and testimony heard during the five-week trial, he said.
                uror 4 noted the panel couldn't simply rely on the defendants' "defining actions'' to convict.

                "All 12 agreed that impeding existed, even if as an effect of the occupation,'' he wrote.

                "But we were not asked to judge on bullets and hurt feelings, rather to decide if any agreement was made with an illegal object in mind,'' the Marylhurst student wrote. "It seemed this basic, high standard of proof was lost upon the prosecution throughout.''
                "Don't they know that 'not guilty' does not mean innocent?'' he wrote. "It was not lost on us that our verdict(s) might inspire future actions that are regrettable, but that sort of thinking was not permitted when considering the charges before us.''
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Used to go goose and duck hunting in Eastern Oregon back in the late 80's and early 90's. Tule Lake area and Klamath region. Great fishing there too. Good folks there, treated us cali boys like family. Love Pappy Ganders restaurant, best chicken fried steak I've ever eaten. Sounds like the Prosecution dropped the ball if anything or went for a lot more than was actually provable. Maybe the lawyer for the government is related to the dingbats in Baltimore.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
                    Used to go goose and duck hunting in Eastern Oregon back in the late 80's and early 90's. Tule Lake area and Klamath region. Great fishing there too. Good folks there, treated us cali boys like family. Love Pappy Ganders restaurant, best chicken fried steak I've ever eaten. Sounds like the Prosecution dropped the ball if anything or went for a lot more than was actually provable. Maybe the lawyer for the government is related to the dingbats in Baltimore.
                    Juries are unpredictable. from the descriptions I have read the defense team was as shocked as anyone.

                    There's no comparison to Baltimore; the evidence against those officers was dubious at best.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Acheron View Post
                      Were court and jury from eastern Oregon by chance?
                      Why should they not have been? That was where it all happened. Are you implying they would have been biased?
                      One was, a BLM employee that in fact told people he was biased, and was removed. Shortly after that, the verdict was reached.

                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      I bet the prosecutors in that case, along with the upper DOJ management were absolutely livid about that.
                      I am sure they are, and count on some vindictive counter-meansures against the uppity peasants from the Lord of the Manor... such as the double-jeapardy against the Hamonds that started all of this in the first place.
                      I expect that the will of the people will be excluded from the process from now on.
                      Now we shall see what charges the Bundys face in Nevada... I'm still not away for what exactly those may be.
                      "Why is the Rum gone?"

                      -Captain Jack

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                        Now we shall see what charges the Bundys face in Nevada... I'm still not away for what exactly those may be.
                        That will be a different ballgame. There the accused pointed firearms at BLM agents and contracted cattlemen, just to start with.

                        I have heard, but not confirmed, that violation of a court order is amongst the charges, too.

                        Those will present a much more difficult problem. Juries don't get excited about preventing employees from getting to work, but threatening to kill Human beings is a tough sell.
                        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                          White privilege?
                          Constitutional Law. "White privilege" is a black myth and a total oxymoron, especially when those using the term are well-off, privileged blacks.

                          "Racial privilege" only exists when blacks are allowed to riot, burn, and kill without legal action because whites are afraid of being accused of "racism".


                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                            That will be a different ballgame. There the accused pointed firearms at BLM agents and contracted cattlemen, just to start with.

                            I have heard, but not confirmed, that violation of a court order is amongst the charges, too.

                            Those will present a much more difficult problem. Juries don't get excited about preventing employees from getting to work, but threatening to kill Human beings is a tough sell.
                            Really? Anybody tell black people that?
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Really? Anybody tell black people that?


                              Thankfully, even if Jimmy C was alive, he couldn't drag the race card into this crock of drama...
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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