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  • The issue of "Voter fraud" in the USA

    It has been brought up in some discussion circles that Voter fraud is an issue in the USA. But really, how much of an issue is Voter fraud in the USA.

    That's simply not true, as many new outlets reported. (See here, here, and here). According to Politifact, there were just 85 prosecutions for voter fraud in Texas from 2002 to 2015, and not all of them led to convictions. That's a paltry number considering that more than 42 million ballots were cast in the state's general elections from 2002 to 2014.

    Here are some selections from our reporting on the voter fraud myth and the impact of anti-voter-fraud laws:

    The rate of fraud in US elections is close to zero.

    UFO sightings are more common than voter fraud.

    So is getting struck by lightning.

    Florida’s aggressive efforts to root out voter fraud before the 2000 election erroneously purged 12,000 names from the voter rolls—of the 12,000, 44 percent, more than 4,700 voters—were African American. That was more than enough votes to change the outcome of that year's presidential election.

    Native Americans are fighting a slew of high-stakes legal battles over voting rights; many of the lawsuits are linked to rules that were designed to prevent voting fraud.
    Voter ID laws are among a host of hurdles that minorities face when they cast a ballot.

    A national voter ID card could end the debate on voter fraud, but both parties hate that idea.

    GOP presidential contender Ted Cruz's Iowa chairman spent $250,000 to stop people from voting.

    Interestingly, a conservative activist inadvertently demonstrated how hard it is to commit voter fraud.



    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...ters-elections

    So one case of voter fraud is one to many. But it appears that the voter fraud issue is merely brought up as a political talking point. It appears that voter id fraud is a low level issue, if at all being an issue...in the US. Perhaps those who disagree that voter fraud is not much of an issue in the USA can provide a link with some #s to backup their views.
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  • #2
    Trump and his supporters need all the excuses they can find.
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • #3
      Smartmatic voting machines are used in 15 states, the head of Smartmatic is also working for Soros, which means he works for Hillary .

      Of course the media are hiding this, but ,if Smartmatics was tied to Trump, all hell would break loose .

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      • #4
        Voter fraud? What voter fraud?
        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...r-rolls-video/
        “Breaking News,”

        “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ljadw View Post
          Smartmatic voting machines are used in 15 states, the head of Smartmatic is also working for Soros, which means he works for Hillary .

          Of course the media are hiding this, but ,if Smartmatics was tied to Trump, all hell would break loose .
          I skimmed through the Wikipedia article,

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartmatic


          There appears to be nothing there about Soros.

          I then googled Smartmatics George Soros and my results were as follows,

          http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/g...n-voter-fraud/

          https://www.libertywritersnews.com/2...es-state-list/

          http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...utah-caucuses/

          https://www.google.com/search?newwin...k1.vpsaAPsr8cs

          Why is CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox news not sharing this story?

          What is a radical left group?? Is it a group that calls for love of immigrants? You have to do better and provide a legit source that shows that George Soros is rigging the election. Perhaps I could post sources from the black panthers and that could be taken as legit if folks want to post gatewaypundit itt. Look at the filth on gateway pundit, overweight men showing their chest...that is disgusting.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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          George S Patton

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          • #6
            Well I will say this much,

            upload image online


            The above image came from the google search of Smartmatics George Soros. Look at how beautiful and elegant Mrs Clinton is....now that is a true American in Mrs Clinton.^^^^
            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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            • #7
              Here's one of a few threads already started on this subject and it contains several links to articles showing the size and scope of illegal voter registration and activities;
              http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=173456

              In my state and many others, one can be registered to vote when getting a driver's license, and my state specifically doesn't check for legal citizenship during that process. Obviously something that needs to be fixed and retro.

              BTW, all for LEGAL immigration, it's those whom engage in criminal ILLEGAL entry that I have issues with, take exception to.

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              • #8
                I read the Mother Jones article. What a piece of crap use of illogic that was. It was one huge logical fallacy.

                Here's the list from the article put in the OP:

                The rate of fraud in US elections is close to zero.
                This is called "Begging the question" or "Circular reasoning." That is, the rate of fraud in US elections is close to zero because there are few prosecutions. That's like saying an election in North Korea is free of fraud because there were no prosecutions.
                Just because fraud wasn't detected or prosecuted, doesn't mean it isn't happening.


                UFO sightings are more common than voter fraud.

                So is getting struck by lightning.
                These two are irrelevant appeals to commonality. Going the other direction I might say there is far less voter fraud than stars in the sky. It is just as irrelevant.

                Florida’s aggressive efforts to root out voter fraud before the 2000 election erroneously purged 12,000 names from the voter rolls—of the 12,000, 44 percent, more than 4,700 voters—were African American. That was more than enough votes to change the outcome of that year's presidential election.
                This is a combination of fallacies. First there is a fallacy of composition. Okay, 12,000 names (a nice round number there which probably indicates either rounding or lying but we don't know which), were erroneously purged. How many names were correctly purged? We aren't told. Instead, we get a fallacy of composition where the writer makes it seem the names purged were all erroneous.
                Next, there's another irrelevant appeal, this one to racism. It makes several bad arguments. First, that the Blacks were purged due to race (thinly implied). Next, that one party was more impacted by this than another. Third, since we don't know how many names were correctly purged, it is entirely possible that overall Blacks were proportionately represented.


                Native Americans are fighting a slew of high-stakes legal battles over voting rights; many of the lawsuits are linked to rules that were designed to prevent voting fraud.
                Voter ID laws are among a host of hurdles that minorities face when they cast a ballot.
                This is a funny one! Here we have an argument that Native Americans are fighting laws to prevent fraud. Sort of argues they want to be able to commit fraud doesn't it?

                The last sentence is an irrelevancy. It's an irrelevant appeal to a combination of consequences and racism.

                A national voter ID card could end the debate on voter fraud, but both parties hate that idea.
                Another irrelevant appeal, this time to popularity. Who cares what the two parties hate? If a national voter ID were a good idea it should be implemented to prevent fraud and other voting irregularities.

                GOP presidential contender Ted Cruz's Iowa chairman spent $250,000 to stop people from voting.
                Here's another great one! The writer misses that this could be interpreted as a case of voter fraud! Doesn't matter the writer chose a GOP case to use. The party is irrelevant. Here we have the writer arguing fraud is bad when it's the "other guy" doing it. It amounts to a false dilemma fallacy.

                Interestingly, a conservative activist inadvertently demonstrated how hard it is to commit voter fraud.
                And, last, we have another horrid logical fallacy. This one is another case of "Circular reasoning" or "Begging the question."
                We can clearly see from the video that the guy making it could have voted if he wanted to fraudulently in the election. That he chose not to in no way negates the premise he could have. The author of the article tries to argue that because the act was illegal he was stopped.
                That's akin to the idea that if we make it illegal for say crazy people and dangerous felons to possess guns they will be prevented from using guns to commit murders and crimes. Circular reasoning.


                The article is a complete waste of time and would only convince an unthinking idiot that voter fraud isn't a problem.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  I read the Mother Jones article. What a piece of crap use of illogic that was. It was one huge logical fallacy.

                  Here's the list from the article put in the OP:



                  This is called "Begging the question" or "Circular reasoning." That is, the rate of fraud in US elections is close to zero because there are few prosecutions. That's like saying an election in North Korea is free of fraud because there were no prosecutions.
                  Just because fraud wasn't detected or prosecuted, doesn't mean it isn't happening.



                  These two are irrelevant appeals to commonality. Going the other direction I might say there is far less voter fraud than stars in the sky. It is just as irrelevant.


                  This is a combination of fallacies. First there is a fallacy of composition. Okay, 12,000 names (a nice round number there which probably indicates either rounding or lying but we don't know which), were erroneously purged. How many names were correctly purged? We aren't told. Instead, we get a fallacy of composition where the writer makes it seem the names purged were all erroneous.
                  Next, there's another irrelevant appeal, this one to racism. It makes several bad arguments. First, that the Blacks were purged due to race (thinly implied). Next, that one party was more impacted by this than another. Third, since we don't know how many names were correctly purged, it is entirely possible that overall Blacks were proportionately represented.




                  This is a funny one! Here we have an argument that Native Americans are fighting laws to prevent fraud. Sort of argues they want to be able to commit fraud doesn't it?

                  The last sentence is an irrelevancy. It's an irrelevant appeal to a combination of consequences and racism.


                  Another irrelevant appeal, this time to popularity. Who cares what the two parties hate? If a national voter ID were a good idea it should be implemented to prevent fraud and other voting irregularities.


                  Here's another great one! The writer misses that this could be interpreted as a case of voter fraud! Doesn't matter the writer chose a GOP case to use. The party is irrelevant. Here we have the writer arguing fraud is bad when it's the "other guy" doing it. It amounts to a false dilemma fallacy.


                  And, last, we have another horrid logical fallacy. This one is another case of "Circular reasoning" or "Begging the question."
                  We can clearly see from the video that the guy making it could have voted if he wanted to fraudulently in the election. That he chose not to in no way negates the premise he could have. The author of the article tries to argue that because the act was illegal he was stopped.
                  That's akin to the idea that if we make it illegal for say crazy people and dangerous felons to possess guns they will be prevented from using guns to commit murders and crimes. Circular reasoning.


                  The article is a complete waste of time and would only convince an unthinking idiot that voter fraud isn't a problem.
                  You have presented an argument, but what of the numbers?

                  Folks want to see a link showcasing some #s regarding how many in the US have committed voter fraud.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                    Here's one of a few threads already started on this subject and it contains several links to articles showing the size and scope of illegal voter registration and activities;
                    http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=173456

                    In my state and many others, one can be registered to vote when getting a driver's license, and my state specifically doesn't check for legal citizenship during that process. Obviously something that needs to be fixed and retro.

                    BTW, all for LEGAL immigration, it's those whom engage in criminal ILLEGAL entry that I have issues with, take exception to.

                    We have had elections in the US where the POTUS was not populary elected, and that included the 2000 election.


                    Your link talked about

                    Federal sources confirm to KING 5 that Cetin was not a U.S. citizen, meaning legally he cannot vote. However, state records show Cetin registered to vote in 2014 and participated in three election cycles, including the May presidential primary.


                    What is your argument? Are there millions of fraudulent votes in the USA cast for the POTUS election...is that what your arguing?
                    Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                    Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                    George S Patton

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                    • #11
                      That took two seconds...

                      http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/20...rvotecount.pdf

                      u IMPERSONATION FRAUD AT THE POLLS - Voting in the names of other legitimate voters and voters who have died, moved away, or lost their right to vote because they are felons, but remain registered.

                      u FALSE REGISTRATIONS - Voting under fraudulent voter registrations that either use a phony name and a real or fake address or claim residence in a particular jurisdiction where the registered voter does not actually live and is not entitled to vote.

                      u DUPLICATE VOTING - Registering in multiple locations and voting in the same election in more than one jurisdiction or state.

                      u FRAUDULENT USE OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS - Requesting and voting with absentee ballots without the knowledge of the actual voter; or obtaining the absentee ballot from a voter and either filling it in directly and forging the voter’s signature or illegally telling the voter who to vote for on the ballot.

                      u BUYING VOTES - Paying voters to cast either an inperson or absentee ballot for a particular candidate.

                      u ILLEGAL “ASSISTANCE” AT THE POLLS - Forcing or intimidating voters—particularly the elderly, disabled, illiterate, and those for whom English is a second language—to vote for particular candidates while supposedly providing them with “assistance.”

                      u INELIGIBLE VOTING - Illegal registration and voting by individuals who are not U.S. citizens, or are convicted felons, and therefore are not eligible to vote.

                      u ALTERING THE VOTE COUNT - Changing the actual vote count either in a precinct or at the central location where votes are counted.

                      u BALLOT PETITION FRAUD - Forging the signatures of registered voters on the ballot petitions that must be filed with election officials in some states for a candidate to be listed on the official ballot.
                      I won't list all the cases they put in the article to support those points. You can read them for yourself.

                      Another list by state:

                      http://dailysignal.com/2016/10/17/he...ion-day-looms/

                      Here's a major paper say it's happening...

                      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-its-all-to/

                      This is where the left is wrong: The argument isn’t whether voter fraud is real, but how widespread it is. Here’s 10 examples documenting that voter fraud isn’t a myth and how Mr. Trump’s claims aren’t just speculation.
                      Those who argue it isn't a problem generally point to the low number of prosecutions. They ignore all the cases where it was prevented by finding problems and eliminating them before a fraudulent vote can be cast. It also ignores cases where prosecution wasn't forthcoming even though there was possible fraud involved.
                      It also ignores potential fraud by ignoring or arguing against fixing obvious sources of that fraud, like being able to vote without ID, mail in balloting, early balloting, the "motor voter" law, etc.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        That took two seconds...

                        http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/20...rvotecount.pdf



                        I won't list all the cases they put in the article to support those points. You can read them for yourself.

                        Another list by state:

                        http://dailysignal.com/2016/10/17/he...ion-day-looms/

                        Here's a major paper say it's happening...

                        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...re-its-all-to/



                        Those who argue it isn't a problem generally point to the low number of prosecutions. They ignore all the cases where it was prevented by finding problems and eliminating them before a fraudulent vote can be cast. It also ignores cases where prosecution wasn't forthcoming even though there was possible fraud involved.
                        It also ignores potential fraud by ignoring or arguing against fixing obvious sources of that fraud, like being able to vote without ID, mail in balloting, early balloting, the "motor voter" law, etc.
                        Bring up one verifiable case of voter fraud actually altering the outcome of an election in the past fifty years or so even if it is for the election of the local dog catcher; more than likely you will not find even one.

                        It is important to protect the integrity of our elections. But we must be careful not to undermine free and fair access to the ballot in the name of preventing voter fraud.

                        The Brennan Center’s ongoing examination of voter fraud claims reveal that voter fraud is very rare, voter impersonation is nearly non-existent, and much of the problems associated with alleged fraud in elections relates to unintentional mistakes by voters or election administrators. Our report "The Truth About Voter Fraud" reveals most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless — and that of the few allegations remaining, most reveal election irregularities and other forms of election misconduct. Click here for additional resources on fraud.

                        Voter fraud is not acceptable in our elections, but we must find a balance and not impose solutions that make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to participate in our democracy.
                        https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
                          Bring up one verifiable case of voter fraud actually altering the outcome of an election in the past fifty years or so even if it is for the election of the local dog catcher; more than likely you will not find even one.

                          https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud
                          Not that it matters since your demand is nothing but a red herring. Voter fraud should not be tolerated regardless, and steps should be taken to minimize or eliminate it in any case.

                          But...

                          http://www.nytimes.com/1998/03/05/us...tion.html?_r=0

                          Fraud Ruling Invalidates Miami Mayoral Election

                          Citing ''a pattern of fraudulent, intentional and criminal conduct'' in the casting of absentee ballots, a Florida judge voided Miami's mayoral election today and ordered a new vote to be held in 60 days.
                          The ruling, which overturned first-round balloting on Nov. 4 that led to the runoff election of Mayor Xavier L. Suarez, leaves the city without a mayor until the City Commission appoints one in the interim. Under the city charter, the commission, which is the city's legislative body and which is to meet on Thursday, has 10 days to make such an appointment.
                          There's one. That's all you asked for.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                            We have had elections in the US where the POTUS was not populary elected, and that included the 2000 election.


                            Your link talked about

                            Federal sources confirm to KING 5 that Cetin was not a U.S. citizen, meaning legally he cannot vote. However, state records show Cetin registered to vote in 2014 and participated in three election cycles, including the May presidential primary.


                            What is your argument? Are there millions of fraudulent votes in the USA cast for the POTUS election...is that what your arguing?
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                            The ballots often have other candidates and issues/initiatives on them, so it's more than just POTUS that would receive votes of non-citizens, illegal voters.

                            If you read thru the full thread linked, you'd see that thousands of illegal voters on on the rolls in many states and the search is barely begun. Unless the voter confesses or is discovered, it's hard to measure how many ballots cast were illegal, and that's only part of the issue.


                            About those "rigged" elections ...
                            EXCERPT:
                            ...
                            "We’ve been bussing people in to deal with you f***in’ assholes [Republicans] for fifty years and we’re not going to stop now, we’re just going to find a different way to do it,” Democratic operative Scott Foval is caught admitting in the latest Project Veritas video.

                            Investigative journalist James O'Keefe and his Project Veritas have released the second installment of their undercover report into the "dark, backroom dealings" of the Hillary Clinton campaign. The first video found Foval admitting that Democratic operatives are engaged in inciting violence at Donald Trump rallies. He has since been fired from Americans United for Change.

                            This second video shows Foval explaining more of the Democrats' shady strategies to rig elections. Instead of using buses to transport Democratic voters to other states to vote illegally, Foval said they can send people there in their own cars or in rental cars.

                            "If there are cars it's much harder to prove" a conspiracy, he noted.
                            Foval had the plan down to a tee, noting that it's important to avoid using a specific state's license plate. Instead, going to a "used car auction" to get their vehicles.

                            The video becomes even more shocking when the Veritas journalists speak with Cesar Vargas, founder of the Dream Action Coalition. In the undercover footage, Vargas is caught making voter fraud plans for the 2018 midterm elections.
                            ...
                            http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortney...ntury-n2234110
                            Last edited by Colonel Sennef; 20 Oct 16, 02:21.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                              I skimmed through the Wikipedia article,

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartmatic


                              There appears to be nothing there about Soros.

                              I then googled Smartmatics George Soros and my results were as follows,

                              http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/g...n-voter-fraud/

                              https://www.libertywritersnews.com/2...es-state-list/

                              http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...utah-caucuses/

                              https://www.google.com/search?newwin...k1.vpsaAPsr8cs

                              Why is CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox news not sharing this story?

                              What is a radical left group?? Is it a group that calls for love of immigrants? You have to do better and provide a legit source that shows that George Soros is rigging the election. Perhaps I could post sources from the black panthers and that could be taken as legit if folks want to post gatewaypundit itt. Look at the filth on gateway pundit, overweight men showing their chest...that is disgusting.
                              If you would google the biography of Lord Malloch-Brown, you would know that he serves on the board of the Open Society Foundation and that he is thus a crony of Soros .Soros is always rigging something .

                              Or maybe you don't know that Malloch-Brown is the head of Smartmatics?

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