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  • #16
    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Things are getting bad when Democrats start admitting the truth...

    Thankfully Bobo's name has stuck, so the Dems will take the shellacking for it. Leave it in place until the DNC deals with it; that ought to thin their grip on Congress.
    Yes, and it's about time that the Republicans own up to the fact they implicitly support the insurance industries shenanigans too. But that'll never happen because businessmen never make bad decisions and never ever screw the public.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by boomer400 View Post
      Yes, and it's about time that the Republicans own up to the fact they implicitly support the insurance industries shenanigans too. But that'll never happen because businessmen never make bad decisions and never ever screw the public.
      It is known as Obamacare. The GOP's hands are clean.

      The insurance associations lobby both parties, as do most major PACs. They will come out all right no matter how things end up. Money always talks.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        But it has a Democrat's name on it.

        We can wait longer than they can. Or at least force them to make it truly bipartisan.
        The biggest problem is that since it's blowing up after Obama left office, it will be harder to make it stick against the Dems in general - especially if it explodes while the GOP controls government.

        But if Hillary wins and it implodes... well now, then you have an Obama functionary who had fought hard for such a program left holding the pieces and with nobody else to deflect the blame against. That sort of connection is much, much harder to deny to the American public looking to blame someone.

        The key is, what happens when it dies? The cat is out of the bag, and getting things back to where they used to be will difficult at best.
        Truly, the people will be the hardest hit out of all of this. The chaos it will cause for personal finances, health, and in the medical industry will be disastrous.

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        • #19
          Two bills I would like to see pushed through Congress, and which many more Progressive Democrats adamantly oppose, are one to repeal the medical device tax (the Democrats want some other tax in its place) that has done nothing but raise the cost of medical devices, and a repeal of the tax "penalty" for not having insurance.
          The later is important as Obamacare augers in to a flaming crash landing. This tax will penalize people for not having health insurance that isn't even available to them to buy in many cases by 2018, and will penalize them in 2017 for failing to buy the one plan available to them on the exchanges in 30% of the country (eg., for not buying into a monopoly plan).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            But it has a Democrat's name on it.

            We can wait longer than they can. Or at least force them to make it truly bipartisan.

            The key is, what happens when it dies? The cat is out of the bag, and getting things back to where they used to be will difficult at best.
            Sure it's his name on it; it was the way to sell it to the masses. but there's enough of Romneycare and other people fingerprints to make everyone look bad.
            Just because one says no and yet offers no good alternative doesn't mean one is going to escape the fallout.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
              The biggest problem is that since it's blowing up after Obama left office, it will be harder to make it stick against the Dems in general - especially if it explodes while the GOP controls government.
              Not really. You would think the same thing about Vietnam, but it didn't.

              It is not the crisis, but how it is handled that matters.

              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
              Truly, the people will be the hardest hit out of all of this. The chaos it will cause for personal finances, health, and in the medical industry will be disastrous.
              Yup. The poor will really catch it in the neck, which has often led me to wonder in insurance and medical PACs had this as their goal. Under the old system they ended up holding the bag on a lot of uncollectable medical bills. I suspect that as the program is changed, the cracks through which the poor will fall will grow wider still.

              Similar to the way mental health is handled now.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by boomer400 View Post
                Sure it's his name on it; it was the way to sell it to the masses. but there's enough of Romneycare and other people fingerprints to make everyone look bad.
                Just because one says no and yet offers no good alternative doesn't mean one is going to escape the fallout.
                It is all how you spin it.

                We had an alternative, and the Democrats took it away. The government can't afford universal healthcare-even the Dems get that.

                When it goes, it will hurt the Dems the worst. The clip of Pelosi saying you have to pass it to read it will be pure gold.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #23
                  That and Republicans saying "We had nothing to do with it passing, it was 100% Democrats that wanted it..." is going to be hard to refute.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    That and Republicans saying "We had nothing to do with it passing, it was 100% Democrats that wanted it..." is going to be hard to refute.
                    Facts are ugly things.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Not really. You would think the same thing about Vietnam, but it didn't.

                      It is not the crisis, but how it is handled that matters.
                      The handling is key, but being the root cause isn't the end/all of the issue. After all, whoever is left holding the back when things turn sour has an uphill climb. Obama may have his name on it, but if the GOP screws up the clean-up - if a "good" result is even possible - then the anger will drift towards them.

                      And besides, few people blamed Eisenhower for Vietnam.

                      Yup. The poor will really catch it in the neck, which has often led me to wonder in insurance and medical PACs had this as their goal. Under the old system they ended up holding the bag on a lot of uncollectable medical bills. I suspect that as the program is changed, the cracks through which the poor will fall will grow wider still.

                      Similar to the way mental health is handled now.
                      I can't tell you that when I was in insurance, we saw Obamacare as a positive to our business - and my company sold supplemental insurance. But then, that was also just the sales perspective.

                      The problems with medical insurance, lawsuits, and the interplay between social needs and corporate requirements could fill a hundred threads.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        The handling is key, but being the root cause isn't the end/all of the issue. After all, whoever is left holding the back when things turn sour has an uphill climb. Obama may have his name on it, but if the GOP screws up the clean-up - if a "good" result is even possible - then the anger will drift towards them.

                        And besides, few people blamed Eisenhower for Vietnam.
                        You mustn't have been paying attention back then.

                        So long as the GOP keeps trumpeting the facts and keep Bobo's name out front, it should be no problem.

                        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        I can't tell you that when I was in insurance, we saw Obamacare as a positive to our business - and my company sold supplemental insurance. But then, that was also just the sales perspective.

                        The problems with medical insurance, lawsuits, and the interplay between social needs and corporate requirements could fill a hundred threads.
                        Why can't you?

                        And I am sure it will fill a hundred threads when it comes crashing down. How it plays out will be interesting.
                        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                        • #27
                          I am in health insurance (independent agent) and we saw Obamacare as a Nightmare from the very beginning.

                          Insurance price = current/future health

                          not

                          Insurance price = same for all regardless of health at the present moment

                          Was NEVER going to work in any shape or form.
                          SPORTS FREAK/ PANZERBLITZ COMMANDER/ CC2 COMMANDER

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by dgfred View Post
                            I am in health insurance (independent agent) and we saw Obamacare as a Nightmare from the very beginning.

                            Insurance price = current/future health

                            not

                            Insurance price = same for all regardless of health at the present moment

                            Was NEVER going to work in any shape or form.
                            Then why did the big insurance lobby groups support it? I always wondered about that.
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #29
                              Locally, the rates on Blue Cross will double next year. The reason the 10,000+ and growing regulations of Obama Care, a law Nancy Pelosi said had to be passed so we could see what was in it, a law that had zero support from Repubicans and a ton of arm twisting of Democrats in order to get it passed.
                              “Breaking News,”

                              “Something irrelevant in your life just happened and now we are going to blow it all out of proportion for days to keep you distracted from what's really going on.”

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                                You mustn't have been paying attention back then.
                                Indeed, I think we all remember those mass protests in the 60s and 70s blaming Vietnam on Eisenhower. Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon were able to just keep pointing to Eisenhower and really didn't suffer any backlash from the war.

                                So long as the GOP keeps trumpeting the facts and keep Bobo's name out front, it should be no problem.
                                Which would play as well as the Democrats blaming ISIL on Bush - just because he took the first steps and got the ball rolling doesn't ensure it will stick. In the end, angry citizens tend to focus more on standing officials since, well, they're still in power.

                                However, because it is popularly known as Obamacare is a true blessing there. After all, if the Iraq War had been known as "Bush's War" then things might have been different.

                                Plus, if you're a democrat and you had the good luck to have been elected after Obamacare, you could also just throw him under the bus and switch the blame back to the GOP.

                                "Obamacare was flawed. We Democrats knew it had good intentions, but it has needed major changes for years. However, every time we tried to change the system, we were stymied by the obstructionist GOP. They wanted to see this fail so they could blame the Democrats, scoring a cheap political victory while the poor suffered."

                                Insert some video and images of sad-looking Americans (bonus points for minorities and children) and you have strong media-bait.

                                Why can't you?

                                And I am sure it will fill a hundred threads when it comes crashing down. How it plays out will be interesting.
                                Very interesting. And how one feels about it will depend on so many factors and touch so many people that it will define the subsequent election.

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