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    Speaker Paul Ryan is telling congressional Republicans that he won't defend Donald Trump now or in the future and will spend the next month defending his party's House majority.

    The Wisconsin Republican is holding a conference call with GOP lawmakers. Many of them are worried that their party's presidential candidate is hurting their chances of winning re-election and is threatening their majority control of the House.

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    House Speaker Paul Ryan is all but conceding Hillary Clinton will be the next president.

    In a conference call Monday morning with House Republicans Ryan tells them that he will not defend Donald Trump or campaign with him for the next 30 days.

    Instead he says he will spend "his entire energy making sure that Hillary Clinton does not get a blank check with a Democrat-controlled Congress."

    That's according to a person on the call who demanded anonymity to describe the private conversation.
    AP - Full Article

    While the election certainly isn't over, there are many GOP politicians who see Trump as a negative influence on their party and their own political futures, and are becoming resigned to the idea that Clinton is likely to be the next president.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    AP - Full Article

    While the election certainly isn't over, there are many GOP politicians who see Trump as a negative influence on their party and their own political futures, and are becoming resigned to the idea that Clinton is likely to be the next president.
    They had better be worried for their own futures. The party hasn't failed to notice their disloyalty. And the race is far from over.

    Either way it plays out they will never shed the title of RINO.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      I notice here in Arizona that John McCain is in an actually tight race because he's wavered on supporting Trump. His opponent, Ann Kirkpatrick is a dyed in the wool Progressive. It's likely she won't win, but McCain should have been a shoe in against her.

      She can't even run on her record. Her adds run away from it because her handlers know her record really sucks when it comes to doing what Arizonans want.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        I notice here in Arizona that John McCain is in an actually tight race because he's wavered on supporting Trump. His opponent, Ann Kirkpatrick is a dyed in the wool Progressive. It's likely she won't win, but McCain should have been a shoe in against her.

        She can't even run on her record. Her adds run away from it because her handlers know her record really sucks when it comes to doing what Arizonans want.
        Yeah, Cruz is finished in Texas after he waffled on supporting Trump. If these idiots don't want to listen to their party voters, they can switch to the DNP.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          They had better be worried for their own futures. The party hasn't failed to notice their disloyalty. And the race is far from over.

          Either way it plays out they will never shed the title of RINO.
          The problem is that would be illogical, considering it is the Republican Party which is struggling to reconcile him with their own goals. If he loses, the GOP will label him a RINO as a reason for his loss.

          Though the idea of trump helping to cost GOP seats to democrats is ironic...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            They had better be worried for their own futures. The party hasn't failed to notice their disloyalty. And the race is far from over.

            Either way it plays out they will never shed the title of RINO.
            You sir and your ilk are the TRUE RINO. You have next to nothing in common with past GOP Presidents. Even the Bush family is against your god Trump. Time to step back and look at yourself. Your from the far right and not the middle right and that far right is darn close to the Neo Nazi. With your, they are all RINO your painting yourself into a very small corner. That isn't healthy for the GOP and more importantly not for our nation.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              I notice here in Arizona that John McCain is in an actually tight race because he's wavered on supporting Trump. His opponent, Ann Kirkpatrick is a dyed in the wool Progressive. It's likely she won't win, but McCain should have been a shoe in against her.

              She can't even run on her record. Her adds run away from it because her handlers know her record really sucks when it comes to doing what Arizonans want.


              Your living a delusional live. How did she get elected in the first place when many AZie didn't vote for her. Was there voter fraud, usual excuse when your people lose.
              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                The problem is that would be illogical, considering it is the Republican Party which is struggling to reconcile him with their own goals. If he loses, the GOP will label him a RINO as a reason for his loss.

                Though the idea of trump helping to cost GOP seats to democrats is ironic...
                I'm just telling what the word within the Party is.

                He won the convention. The rank and file have accepted him. The last time GOP 'leaders' stopping listening to the grass roots, the Tea Party rose up and smote them from office.

                Apparently the beating didn't take and need to be re-applied.

                Whether he wins or loses is immaterial. It was party unity that let us cripple Bobo even when he had Congressional majorities. Either the hired help sticks to the playbook, or they will be unemployed.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  I'm just telling what the word within the Party is.

                  He won the convention. The rank and file have accepted him. The last time GOP 'leaders' stopping listening to the grass roots, the Tea Party rose up and smote them from office.
                  And the TP revolution was short-lived and decidedly frightened the GOP - they don't want to have to worry about losing their seats to other conservatives. It costs the party effort and money if they can't keep their own ducks in a row.

                  Apparently the beating didn't take and need to be re-applied.

                  Whether he wins or loses is immaterial. It was party unity that let us cripple Bobo even when he had Congressional majorities. Either the hired help sticks to the playbook, or they will be unemployed.
                  And you hit the nail on the head: party unity and control of congress were the weapons that allowed the GOP to drive Obama back - even with some conservatives trying to accuse the GOP of actually being pro-Obama democrats, of course.

                  There are some Republicans who fear they could lose their elections and cost the GOP congress due to Trump's campaign. And that presents a difficult choice: do you fight to hold onto congress and cut lose a candidate who looks like he's going to lose, or do you stick by Trump no matter what and hope that he will pull out a victory and grant you the White House?

                  What frightens the GOP the most is the thought of losing their congressional majority and the White House - it would be like Obama's early years again, only with more Supreme Court nominations up in the air.

                  How the GOP goes forward really depends on if Trump wins. If he does, the anti-establishment side will rise high and start dictating strong terms. If he loses, his largest supporters - who overlap with the TP people - will be blamed for losing an election against someone as filthy and weak as Hillary Clinton.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    Yeah, Cruz is finished in Texas after he waffled on supporting Trump. If these idiots don't want to listen to their party voters, they can switch to the DNP.
                    Please open your eyes. The party, the GOP leadership have divorced themselves from Trump in hopes of saving anything of the GOP. Your ilk claim they are RINO, look in the mirror, your the one and others that are not the true conservatives of the Regen, Nixon, Bush GOP.
                    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                      If he loses, his largest supporters - who overlap with the TP people - will be blamed for losing an election against someone as filthy and weak as Hillary Clinton.
                      You have it backwards-if he loses, those who did not rally to him will be blamed for the lack of crucial support.

                      This election will be close. A lot of RINOs are putting their careers on the line being lukewarm about Trump. The delegates chose him, so the spirit of unity travels with him. The democrats can get away with rigging a convention, but that stuff won't play in the GOP.
                      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        You have it backwards-if he loses, those who did not rally to him will be blamed for the lack of crucial support.
                        It will be a case of pointing fingers, but considering Trump's unpopularity it will be hard to convince everyone that Trump would have won if not for their tepid support for him.

                        Though Trump is already setting up the narrative that his loss is due to anyone and everyone but himself. His disciples will undoubtedly drink that message up, and it will help create bigger divides within the GOP.

                        Which is always a good thing.

                        This election will be close. A lot of RINOs are putting their careers on the line being lukewarm about Trump. The delegates chose him, so the spirit of unity travels with him. The democrats can get away with rigging a convention, but that stuff won't play in the GOP.
                        And the tendency of conservatives to eat their own is on display.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          You have it backwards-if he loses, those who did not rally to him will be blamed for the lack of crucial support.

                          This election will be close. A lot of RINOs are putting their careers on the line being lukewarm about Trump. The delegates chose him, so the spirit of unity travels with him. The democrats can get away with rigging a convention, but that stuff won't play in the GOP.
                          Facts, they are a slippery thing... just slide right out of your hands.....
                          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                          “To talk of many things:
                          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                          Of cabbages—and kings—
                          And why the sea is boiling hot—
                          And whether pigs have wings.”
                          ― Lewis Carroll

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                            They had better be worried for their own futures. The party hasn't failed to notice their disloyalty. And the race is far from over.

                            Either way it plays out they will never shed the title of RINO.
                            WAKE UP for god's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Party is AGAINST Trump.
                            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                              It will be a case of pointing fingers, but considering Trump's unpopularity it will be hard to convince everyone that Trump would have won if not for their tepid support for him.

                              Though Trump is already setting up the narrative that his loss is due to anyone and everyone but himself. His disciples will undoubtedly drink that message up, and it will help create bigger divides within the GOP.

                              Which is always a good thing.
                              Dream on.

                              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                              And the tendency of conservatives to eat their own is on display.
                              You mean like rigging a convention? That is a DNC thing.

                              Your bias is leading you down paths of illusion.

                              The Tea Party already conducted one purge, leaving the GOP united enough to prevail against a DNP majority in the Senate. Both parties have to trim the fringes to stay healthy.
                              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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