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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    I know that. I'm just saying that in my view, being successful in that isn't in the same league as being successful in industry. Las Vegas doesn't equal the Arsenal of Democracy.
    I get your point more clearly.

    However, I have seen first hand the economic power of places like Six Flags (big amusement park). It draws in tourists from other nations as well as Americans from all over the country-not in Diseny's league, but still a heavy hitter.

    People like to be entertained, and plan to expend some of their personal wealth to be entertained.

    Certainly a lot of foreign wealth streams into the USA from the products of Hollywood.

    So again I get your viewpoint now, but I disagree that casinos and similar businesses lacks success.

    They fill a human need.

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  • johns624
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    Originally posted by Karri View Post
    That is the whole of service industry, especially entertainment.
    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    Movies would match what you just described.

    So would tourist attractions.

    Theme parks. Amusement parks. Video arcades.
    I know that. I'm just saying that in my view, being successful in that isn't in the same league as being successful in industry. Las Vegas doesn't equal the Arsenal of Democracy.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    That was only a very, very small part of my argument. My main point is that the gaming industry doesn't help grow the economy. You are merely taking money that has already been made by people. You aren't creating anything tangible; just an illusion of maybe being able to win big. It's just like a lottery. Why do you think so many want to get into the industry? It's a cash cow.
    Movies would match what you just described.

    So would tourist attractions.

    Theme parks. Amusement parks. Video arcades.

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    That was only a very, very small part of my argument. My main point is that the gaming industry doesn't help grow the economy. You are merely taking money that has already been made by people. You aren't creating anything tangible; just an illusion of maybe being able to win big. It's just like a lottery. Why do you think so many want to get into the industry? It's a cash cow.
    That is the whole of service industry, especially entertainment.

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  • johns624
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    I'm lumping hotels, resorts, and casinos as one since John mentioned waitresses, busboys, and maids. The point is the I pointed out to him that virtually all the jobs are unionized. In the case of Vegas, it is 95% of the strip.
    That was only a very, very small part of my argument. My main point is that the gaming industry doesn't help grow the economy. You are merely taking money that has already been made by people. You aren't creating anything tangible; just an illusion of maybe being able to win big. It's just like a lottery. Why do you think so many want to get into the industry? It's a cash cow.

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  • Karri
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    How fair is it to agree to work for once price and then demand something else?
    If you're looking for fair you should vote communist. Or that's what they say.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    In President Elect Trumps case he owns a Hotel in LV, not a casino.
    I'm lumping hotels, resorts, and casinos as one since John mentioned waitresses, busboys, and maids. The point is the I pointed out to him that virtually all the jobs are unionized. In the case of Vegas, it is 95% of the strip.

    [The workers voted to form a union last Dec. Trump Entertainment has kept them locked up in hearings at the labor board etc ever since.[/quote]
    As I said, I used to manage a hotel and drawn out negotiations happen all the time.

    It also happens in other industries. When Continental Airlines took over United, the United workers had a two year long contract negotiation. The retirement package is still up in the air.

    So when the US President is an owner of a big business that has a dispute go the the National Labor Relations Board, just how much chance do you think the worker will have?
    The same chance as any other workers in a union. You seem to think labor dispute is a rare thing but it is not. In the case of the Trump workers, they are also demanding retroactive back pay to match the workers across the street at Wynn's. How fair is it to agree to work for once price and then demand something else?

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    Truns Si is right!

    My bad.

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  • johns624
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
    Exactly what did BO do to "create jobs" in your industry?

    Did he assume control of your company? The industry?
    Did he push through laws that made doing business easier? Did he reduce the burdens on your industry?
    Did he increase government spending in your industry?
    I would submit the last one doesn't really "create jobs" as it still burdens everyone and forces us to spend more in taxes.
    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
    Truns Si is right!

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  • Combat Engineer
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    You have no clue to what you are talking about. Virtually all the large casino resort jobs in Vegas and Atlantic City ARE UNIONIZED and pay well. Even Trump's is unionized. We're not talking about the maid at Motel 6 or the busboy at the greasy-spoon diner. Casinos create jobs - and even if those jobs are as pitiful as you think, what would those poor cretins do if there were no jobs? They will mysteriously get a higher paying job if there were no casinos?

    I spend 5 days in Vegas every year for a convention. I do not gamble and I am an insomniac. I'm the one talking to the bartenders, cocktail waitresses, and the housekeepers. I used to run a large hotel so I speak their language. I will take them telling me how good the money is over your uninformed rant any day any time.

    Just for a start:

    http://herelocal165.org/vegas-union-hotel-guide/


    If building durable good is your only measure, then you have just insult 80% of Americans.
    In President Elect Trumps case he owns a Hotel in LV, not a casino. The workers voted to form a union last Dec. Trump Entertainment has kept them locked up in hearings at the labor board etc ever since.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us...bjections.html

    About 500 employees who clean the hotel and prepare and deliver food and drinks to guests narrowly approved unionizing in a vote in December. But the hotel has been challenging the vote, contending that it “was anything but free and fair,” and appealing a regional National Labor Relations Board decision in March that certified the union.

    On Thursday, the board’s national headquarters in Washington rejected the hotel’s requests for another round of review. The Culinary Workers Union, which has been supporting the union drive and representing the workers, hailed the decision as a significant victory that should now lead to contract negotiations. Bethany Khan, a union spokeswoman, said it was sending a letter asking for dates for talks to start.
    So when the US President is an owner of a big business that has a dispute go the the National Labor Relations Board, just how much chance do you think the worker will have?

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  • Trung Si
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
    Exactly what did BO do to "create jobs" in your industry?

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    I'm not the one who ran for president using my background as a "jobs creator". Besides, Obama created more jobs in my industry than anyone else.
    Exactly what did BO do to "create jobs" in your industry?

    Did he assume control of your company? The industry?
    Did he push through laws that made doing business easier? Did he reduce the burdens on your industry?
    Did he increase government spending in your industry?
    I would submit the last one doesn't really "create jobs" as it still burdens everyone and forces us to spend more in taxes.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    I'm not the one who ran for president using my background as a "jobs creator". Besides, Obama created more jobs in my industry than anyone else.
    Can't argue that.

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  • johns624
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    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
    How about answering my question: What have YOU accomplished? Trump has created thousands of jobs.

    The Hillabeast never created any private sector jobs, and the paper candidates the bush league puts up to keep the nutjobs entertained are a joke.
    I'm not the one who ran for president using my background as a "jobs creator". Besides, Obama created more jobs in my industry than anyone else.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    Take an Economics class and get back to me. I can see that the whole "create something of value" thing is way over your head. Here's a quick question---how do banks create money?---no googling allowed.
    How about answering my question: What have YOU accomplished? Trump has created thousands of jobs.

    The Hillabeast never created any private sector jobs, and the paper candidates the bush league puts up to keep the nutjobs entertained are a joke.

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