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  • #46
    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
    In President Elect Trumps case he owns a Hotel in LV, not a casino.
    I'm lumping hotels, resorts, and casinos as one since John mentioned waitresses, busboys, and maids. The point is the I pointed out to him that virtually all the jobs are unionized. In the case of Vegas, it is 95% of the strip.

    [The workers voted to form a union last Dec. Trump Entertainment has kept them locked up in hearings at the labor board etc ever since.[/quote]
    As I said, I used to manage a hotel and drawn out negotiations happen all the time.

    It also happens in other industries. When Continental Airlines took over United, the United workers had a two year long contract negotiation. The retirement package is still up in the air.

    So when the US President is an owner of a big business that has a dispute go the the National Labor Relations Board, just how much chance do you think the worker will have?
    The same chance as any other workers in a union. You seem to think labor dispute is a rare thing but it is not. In the case of the Trump workers, they are also demanding retroactive back pay to match the workers across the street at Wynn's. How fair is it to agree to work for once price and then demand something else?
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Salinator View Post
      How fair is it to agree to work for once price and then demand something else?
      If you're looking for fair you should vote communist. Or that's what they say.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Salinator View Post
        I'm lumping hotels, resorts, and casinos as one since John mentioned waitresses, busboys, and maids. The point is the I pointed out to him that virtually all the jobs are unionized. In the case of Vegas, it is 95% of the strip.
        That was only a very, very small part of my argument. My main point is that the gaming industry doesn't help grow the economy. You are merely taking money that has already been made by people. You aren't creating anything tangible; just an illusion of maybe being able to win big. It's just like a lottery. Why do you think so many want to get into the industry? It's a cash cow.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by johns624 View Post
          That was only a very, very small part of my argument. My main point is that the gaming industry doesn't help grow the economy. You are merely taking money that has already been made by people. You aren't creating anything tangible; just an illusion of maybe being able to win big. It's just like a lottery. Why do you think so many want to get into the industry? It's a cash cow.
          That is the whole of service industry, especially entertainment.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by johns624 View Post
            That was only a very, very small part of my argument. My main point is that the gaming industry doesn't help grow the economy. You are merely taking money that has already been made by people. You aren't creating anything tangible; just an illusion of maybe being able to win big. It's just like a lottery. Why do you think so many want to get into the industry? It's a cash cow.
            Movies would match what you just described.

            So would tourist attractions.

            Theme parks. Amusement parks. Video arcades.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Karri View Post
              That is the whole of service industry, especially entertainment.
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              Movies would match what you just described.

              So would tourist attractions.

              Theme parks. Amusement parks. Video arcades.
              I know that. I'm just saying that in my view, being successful in that isn't in the same league as being successful in industry. Las Vegas doesn't equal the Arsenal of Democracy.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                I know that. I'm just saying that in my view, being successful in that isn't in the same league as being successful in industry. Las Vegas doesn't equal the Arsenal of Democracy.
                I get your point more clearly.

                However, I have seen first hand the economic power of places like Six Flags (big amusement park). It draws in tourists from other nations as well as Americans from all over the country-not in Diseny's league, but still a heavy hitter.

                People like to be entertained, and plan to expend some of their personal wealth to be entertained.

                Certainly a lot of foreign wealth streams into the USA from the products of Hollywood.

                So again I get your viewpoint now, but I disagree that casinos and similar businesses lacks success.

                They fill a human need.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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