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  • #16
    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    What would you have done after 9/11? Swear to hunt down the criminals responsible and "bring them to justice" like the Obama administration has repeatedly said and failed at?
    Nope, the Obama administration drones them and kills them. Simple undeniable fact.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by johns624 View Post
      how Trump supposedly can fix the economy better than Clinton, yet Clinton is the pick of Wall Street and the bankers? Aren't they the ones in control?
      Probably need to start with understanding what "the economy" is and then how it should be "fixed".

      Rule of thumb I go by is the(REAL) Economy is where wealth is created and there Trump has lots of experience, more so than Clinton or Obama, both of whom have spent the majority of their life in the "wealth re-distribution" side of the economy.

      Like Barry, Hillary only knows how to rig laws and systems to favor crony capitalist/capitalism that get subsidies/favorable legislation from guv'mint while skimming some off into his/her own pockets. Having never really created wealth, or the businesses and jobs that are part of that process, I'd expect Clinton to be as clueless as BHO has been.

      Trump on the other hand has spent his life in the private sector, overall creating wealth, and hasn't been on the public(guv'mint) payroll most of his life (like BHO & HRC) so he's likely to have a more and better clue how to "fix" the economy, starting with getting guv'mint more out of the way of business and industry. Basically getting guv'mint to do less "about the economy" is often the best way to "fix the economy". But that can include removing some of the roadblocks guv'mint has placed in the way of good economic growth.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
        Probably need to start with understanding what "the economy" is and then how it should be "fixed".

        Rule of thumb I go by is the(REAL) Economy is where wealth is created and there Trump has lots of experience, more so than Clinton or Obama, both of whom have spent the majority of their life in the "wealth re-distribution" side of the economy.

        Like Barry, Hillary only knows how to rig laws and systems to favor crony capitalist/capitalism that get subsidies/favorable legislation from guv'mint while skimming some off into his/her own pockets. Having never really created wealth, or the businesses and jobs that are part of that process, I'd expect Clinton to be as clueless as BHO has been.

        Trump on the other hand has spent his life in the private sector, overall creating wealth, and hasn't been on the public(guv'mint) payroll most of his life (like BHO & HRC) so he's likely to have a more and better clue how to "fix" the economy, starting with getting guv'mint more out of the way of business and industry. Basically getting guv'mint to do less "about the economy" is often the best way to "fix the economy". But that can include removing some of the roadblocks guv'mint has placed in the way of good economic growth.

        Agreed. Anyone who thinks that an administration can legislate prosperity doesn't understand how the economy works.
        The best thing they can do is try not to interfere and legislate less, the Soviets pretty well established that a command economy doesn't work all that well.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          What would you have done after 9/11? Swear to hunt down the criminals responsible and "bring them to justice" like the Obama administration has repeatedly said and failed at?
          What would I expect the USA's/West's actions post 9/11? Certainly hunt down everyone responsible for it, and extract your pound of flesh from them.

          Would have I invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 before I'd have achieved my aims in Afghanistan, maybe not. If I was going to do it have had a concrete strategy in place to ensure that no power vacuum would have existed after overthrowing Saddam.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
            What would I expect the USA's/West's actions post 9/11? Certainly hunt down everyone responsible for it, and extract your pound of flesh from them.

            Would have I invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 before I'd have achieved my aims in Afghanistan, maybe not.

            It took 10 years before they had Bid Laden : public opinion never would have admitted that meanwhile the US would do nothing.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ljadw View Post
              It took 10 years before they had Bid Laden : public opinion never would have admitted that meanwhile the US would do nothing.
              Actually I'm not opposed to the invasion of Iraq, Saddam was a tyrant who used weapons of mass destruction, and I think that there should be a precedent set by the world community that once you cross that line then you've gone too far.

              One of my issues with Iraq was the blatant lie that it's invasion was that it was directly related to 9/11, and that Saddam was also linked to 9/11. Another Issue was the mismanagement Iraq post Saddam. The lack of a coherent plan on what to do with Iraq post-Saddam created a power vacuum that the Islamic terrorists were more than happy to fill.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bow View Post
                Easy....He will declare America bankrupt, tell the Chines he wont pay them back the money they loaned the US, settle for 10 cents on the dollar, declare himself Emperor, drag Hillary down Pennsylvania Ave in chains, invade another country and loot it, then declare America Great Again and dig out the Nuclear Codes just in case some body annoys him....and the world will be right again....you hope...
                what about all the money America owes america
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  What would you have done after 9/11? Swear to hunt down the criminals responsible and "bring them to justice" like the Obama administration has repeatedly said and failed at?
                  Iraq attacked us on 9/11?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                    Agreed. Anyone who thinks that an administration can legislate prosperity doesn't understand how the economy works.
                    The best thing they can do is try not to interfere and legislate less, the Soviets pretty well established that a command economy doesn't work all that well.
                    Well then, how is Trump going to bring back all those good industrial jobs from overseas that he's always talking about?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      Trump on the other hand has spent his life in the private sector, overall creating wealth.
                      Casinos don't create wealth, they just redistribute it, mainly to the owners. Why do you think so many groups want to open casinos? You don't have to create products and produce them, you just have to give suckers the illusion that they can get rich overnight.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                        Well then, how is Trump going to bring back all those good industrial jobs from overseas that he's always talking about?

                        He is going to legislate prosperity and we will all be rich.

                        Did you read my post?
                        Presidents can't control the economy, but they can wreck it. (see the coal industry and the pipeline)
                        Regulations don't help the economy, they place burdens on it and force industry into spending money on compliance rather than expansion.
                        Maybe trump won't burden industry by trying to regulate some of it out of existence.
                        If you make it cheaper to manufacture your goods here, you will bring all those jobs back.
                        That would be a good start.
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                        • #27
                          Effectively dealing with the national debt would be another item of concern/correction ...
                          Obama On Pace To Increase The Debt By Stunning $2.4 Trillion This Year
                          http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-1...-trillion-year
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                            Nope, the Obama administration drones them and kills them. Simple undeniable fact.
                            The Obama administration is basically following the lead of Bush here, but with more restraint and less willingness to commit to full scale invasions. Considering the quagmire of Iraq and the knock-on consequences it had I don't think you could realistically fault him for being more cautious than his predecessor.

                            Originally posted by JFKvsNixon View Post
                            Would have I invaded a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 before I'd have achieved my aims in Afghanistan, maybe not. If I was going to do it have had a concrete strategy in place to ensure that no power vacuum would have existed after overthrowing Saddam.
                            Even if you do want to invade Iraq in 2003, there were so many mistakes made after the invasion began that it could have gone much smoother than it did. The casual dismantling of the existing power structures people relied on, the haphazard economic transition, the failure to secure borders of the country, a real mess all around.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                              Casinos don't create wealth, they just redistribute it, mainly to the owners.
                              Casino Resorts generate a lot of tax revenues and employ lots of people which in turn pay taxes instead of living off the government. Just the Bellagio alone have over 10,000 good well paying jobs, and they are not even the biggest in the world. What about the casino support jobs? The Casino Resort is much more than just a gambling den. They are hotels, restaurants, shows, sporting events, conventions, etc.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ThoseDeafMutes View Post
                                The Obama administration is basically following the lead of Bush here, but with more restraint and less willingness to commit to full scale invasions. Considering the quagmire of Iraq and the knock-on consequences it had I don't think you could realistically fault him for being more cautious than his predecessor.
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