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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    Democrats controlled the Senate for his first six years in office and the Republicans have generally lacked the cojones to pass bills that he would likely veto over the last two years. I'm shocked that he's vetoed 12 bills.
    He's around Bush's numbers too, which reflects the political reality of the past two presidencies and the current legislative trends for the nation.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      To use your example, then we tell Syria to off.

      It is the same principle as war crimes. No matter what US troops do, they only get tried by us.

      We don't have to play fair. Nor do other First World nations. On the international stage national rights extend only as far as their military and economic reach.
      your focused on the military part to much.

      lets try this suppose you go and bomb a mosque in England. but because you are employed by a govt agency and receive money from that agency would not this law allow the US govt to be sued or potentially in the future

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      • #18
        Originally posted by craven View Post
        your focused on the military part to much.

        lets try this suppose you go and bomb a mosque in England. but because you are employed by a govt agency and receive money from that agency would not this law allow the US govt to be sued or potentially in the future
        No.

        You can only sue the Feds if they agree to be sued.
        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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        • #19
          Since when does everyone in the world have to be a lawyer, or dance to their tune?

          Gents (and ladies), I think you all are missing the point here-
          We still have a representative form of Govt. here, much as that chaffs the rear of the Hussien in the White House. They have to have a certain amount of accountability to We The People... publicly, at least.

          What this just did is send a definite message; the American opinion of the Saudis is at an all-time low.
          In other words, our regard for them is close to being as low and as bad as their regard for us.
          And now, nobody in the world can pretend otherwise.
          We ain't the suckers they take us for.

          And in perhaps related news; OPEC is going to have talks about decreasing production soon, so that they can see prices go up someday soon.
          A cry-baby move of petty revenge, or have they finally given up on their dreams of eliminating Frakking and delaying the deployment all other alternative energy?
          heh heh...
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
            Since when does everyone in the world have to be a lawyer, or dance to their tune?

            Gents (and ladies), I think you all are missing the point here-
            We still have a representative form of Govt. here, much as that chaffs the rear of the Hussien in the White House. They have to have a certain amount of accountability to We The People... publicly, at least.

            What this just did is send a definite message; the American opinion of the Saudis is at an all-time low.
            In other words, our regard for them is close to being as low and as bad as their regard for us.
            And now, nobody in the world can pretend otherwise.
            We ain't the suckers they take us for.

            And in perhaps related news; OPEC is going to have talks about decreasing production soon, so that they can see prices go up someday soon.
            A cry-baby move of petty revenge, or have they finally given up on their dreams of eliminating Frakking and delaying the deployment all other alternative energy?
            heh heh...
            Very true.
            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              No.

              You can only sue the Feds if they agree to be sued.
              so then how can the Saudis be sued then

              Once you start chipping away at sovereign immunity it can and will keep fading away

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              • #22
                Originally posted by craven View Post
                so then how can the Saudis be sued then

                Once you start chipping away at sovereign immunity it can and will keep fading away
                Because the Saudis are not us.

                No one really expects the lawsuit to go anywhere. It is just a big you to those bastards. And a reminder that they exist because we choose to let them exist, and choose to prevent others from ending their existence. And that choice could be subject to change.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                • #23
                  Hmmmmm. A case of we passed it and overrode the Veto without reading it or maybe without considering what it really does????

                  http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...audi-9-11-bill

                  A day after the House and Senate overwhelmingly voted to override President Obama's veto, GOP leaders are expressing reservations about legislation that would allow lawsuits related to 9/11 to go forward against Saudi Arabia.

                  Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) both said they were open to discussions about changing the bill, which Congress approved unanimously.

                  "I do think it's worth further discussions, but it was certainly not something that was going to be fixed this week," McConnell told reporters on Thursday.

                  McConnell also criticized the lack of a discussion about "the potential consequences" of a very "popular bill."

                  Ryan agreed that Congress may need to "fix" the legislation but said he wasn't sure when that would happen.

                  "We want to make sure the 9/11 victims and their families have their day in court," Ryan told reporters. "At the same time, I would like to think that there may be some work to be done to protect our service members overseas from any kind of legal ensnarements that occur, any kind of retribution."
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #24
                    So you are really back?
                    Been a while...

                    Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                    Because the Saudis are not us.

                    No one really expects the lawsuit to go anywhere. It is just a big you to those bastards. And a reminder that they exist because we choose to let them exist, and choose to prevent others from ending their existence. And that choice could be subject to change.
                    Oh, they will always exist, the problem is they have more money and power than sense... a very bad thing for totalitarian religious fanatics.
                    When they were restricted to the nastiest desert on Earth, not such a problem. In fact, it was probably that sterile, unproductive, desolate and unforgiving environment that shaped their mentality.

                    And right after that dunderhead Lawrence helped them overthrow the Ottoman Turks, they started showing their true colors.
                    Until 100 years ago there was an ancient thing called the Tomb of Eve (yes, that Eve, no, not saying I believe but that's what it was called) on the coast of the Red Sea. Once the Wahabis had control of that area, they demolished the tomb, desecrated the site and its now part of a common cemetery.
                    ISIS is nothing but the logical outgrowth of the Wahadi/Saudi way of thinking.

                    As for their continued existence; all you would have to do to make them impotent is shut off the flow of money.
                    They have embezzled or wasted so much money that they have nothing to fall back on once people stop buying their oil.
                    "Why is the Rum gone?"

                    -Captain Jack

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Because the Saudis are not us.

                      No one really expects the lawsuit to go anywhere. It is just a big you to those bastards. And a reminder that they exist because we choose to let them exist, and choose to prevent others from ending their existence. And that choice could be subject to change.
                      So a bit of toothless political theater meant to appease the masses rather than accomplish anything concrete. Another victory for American democracy.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
                        +1!
                        Pentagon officials warn could put U.S. troops and interests at risk.
                        You give a thumbs up for that? -1
                        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          You give a thumbs up for that? -1
                          Yes, because it was an attitude adjustment for his highness, I give a thumbs up to anything that puts him in his place (where legislation is concerned) those lawsuits are not going anywhere in the first place.
                          Last edited by Trung Si; 30 Sep 16, 11:16.
                          Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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