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  • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
    This is all Trump needed to do to win...
    Not according to multiple major sources, including the maker of your graph. Nate also made another graph about the CNN poll and its historic correlation to post-debate polls, for example.



    To quote from the source above:
    The data is certainly noisy, but an emphatic win on the order of what Clinton or Romney achieved — and perhaps what Hillary Clinton achieved on Monday night — might be expected to produce a swing of 2 to 4 percentage points in horse-race polls. Even a 2-point gain would do wonders for Clinton, who would go from a fairly uncomfortable position in the Electoral College to a fairly comfortable one, and who would emerge with a 3-to-4-point lead in the popular vote.

    So no, Trump just having a heartbeat was not enough to be a "victory". Although I guess you could quote Stephen Colbert on how all Trump has to do was not murder a child (on stage) as similar sentiment.

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    • I felt Clinton had a # of bright spots and did outperform Trump. That said Ifelt both candidates did not deliver a strong anti ISIL message. It would have been nice if one or both Candidates brought up the US victory in WW2...telling the world how the allies teamend up to defeat the greatest threat the civilzed world has ever faced and how the US, Russia and other countries involved in the fight against ISIL could learn from the unity of Russians and Americans during WW2. I long for the days for the US to return to how it was under men like FDR and Truman.
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      • https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...clinton-winner
        In a clash between the two most unpopular presidential nominees in modern history, a group of undecided voters in the battleground state of Pennsylvania declared Hillary Clinton the clear winner; but remained deeply pessimistic about their choices in November.

        “It’s like asking me to choose between a heart attack and a stroke,” said one of the 27 voters selected and paid to participate in a focus group conducted by Republican pollster Frank Luntz in Philadelphia on Monday.

        The visceral electoral anger that helped fuel Donald Trump’s rise during the primaries was felt in the room at the National Constitution Center where the mood was perhaps best encapsulated by Luntz’s opening question: “How the hell did we get here?”

        The Pennsylvania voters shared some of the same entrenched views that voters across the country have expressed over the past 18 months. They described Clinton as a “liar”, “corrupt”, “secretive” and “self-centered”. They labeled Trump “scary”, “fake”, an “egomaniac” and a “shape-shifter”.

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        • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
          Trump. No sniffles at all. The MIC was BROKE!.... The man has nothing but excuses. Simple fact, he has the sniffles, however he can't admit that. Why? Who knows. It's a serious fault will extend into many areas if he wins the office.
          ..
          What are the "sniffles" ?

          Some euphemism for cocaine addiction ?
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          • http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN11W0CK
            Republican Donald Trump vowed on Tuesday to hit rival Democrat Hillary Clinton harder in the next U.S. presidential debate after she put him on the defensive by accusing him of being racist, sexist and a tax dodger during their first matchup.

            Trump, a real estate mogul making his first run for public office, praised himself for not attacking Clinton about the marital infidelity of her husband, former President Bill Clinton, but said in a Tuesday morning interview with Fox News that he may take up the attack line going forward.

            ...


            Clinton was under pressure to perform well on Monday night after a recent bout with pneumonia and an erosion in recent weeks in her lead over Trump in opinion polls. One line of attack was Trump's past remarks about women, a message designed to resonate with women who have not yet decided who to vote for and who could prove pivotal in deciding the Nov. 8 White House election.

            Trump, a former reality TV star who eschewed a lot of debate practice, was assertive and focused early on, interrupting Clinton repeatedly. As the night wore on, he became testy and less disciplined in front of the crowd at host Hofstra University and a televised audience that may have reached upwards of a record 100 million people.

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            • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post

              Trump, a real estate mogul making his first run for public office, praised himself for not attacking Clinton about the marital infidelity of her husband, former President Bill Clinton, but said in a Tuesday morning interview with Fox News that he may take up the attack line going forward.
              That would be rather silly - it's hardly Clinton's fault the other Clinton is an adulterating bastard
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              • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                What are the "sniffles" ?

                Some euphemism for cocaine addiction ?
                http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/201...e-user-n655216
                While Trump's opponent Hillary Clinton — whose coughs made frequent fodder for Republicans — did not mention his sniffles, former Democratic presidential candidate and DNC chairman Howard Dean did.

                The former six-term Vermont governor took to Twitter not with a meme but with a message, suggesting that Trump's nasal troubles could be due to cocaine use.

                Howard Dean's tweet:
                Notice Trump sniffing all the time. Coke user?
                https://mobile.twitter.com/GovHoward...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

                The Internet has already delivered:



                Edit: just noticed that Trump said there were "no sniffles" during the debate on Fox this morning.

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                • That's what I figured yes, it would also be consistent with his MO, thanks.
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                    • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      Simple question for Trump supporters. His statement this morning about a bad mic:



                      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4LSpq2390

                      Can anyone honestly say that at ANY time his mic cut out and you could not hear him? The same mic that fed the room, fed the video feed.

                      Video is out on the web. Can anyone show us and example?

                      And of course he implies that it was deliberate....

                      Mr Excuse.
                      Trump only needed to beat expectations
                      Doc expectations perhaps, not the sane people that LISTENED.
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                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                        So says...



                        Lying is quite relevant when trying to decide who to support. This is just a classic example of his typical reaction to not being happy with his performance. Blame it on others and immaterial objects. Bad character trait.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • Well this made me chuckle...

                          http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump...an-the-donald/
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                          Donald Trump supporters artificially manipulated the results of online polls to create a false narrative that the Republican nominee won the first presidential debate on Monday night.

                          The efforts originated from users of the pro-Trump Reddit community r/The_Donald and 4chan messaged boards, which bombarded around 70 polls, including those launched by Time, Fortune, and CNBC.

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                          • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                            Lying is quite relevant when trying to decide who to support. This is just a classic example of his typical reaction to not being happy with his performance. Blame it on others and immaterial objects. Bad character trait.
                            Lying about something irrelevant is still irrelevant... Material lies or lying under oath would be relevant.

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                            • Given that this seems a close race, the most interesting thing, and the real (IMHO) standard to judge "who won", would be seeing what effect the debate had on the undecided. Is it true, to any extent, that many of them will decide, or have already decided, on the basis of this meager input?
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                              • Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                                Lying about something irrelevant is still irrelevant... Material lies or lying under oath would be relevant.
                                Be careful Doc, you're going to hurt your back if you keep bending over backwards to make excuses like that.

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