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  • Chalk Lester Holt up as another Candy Crowley.
    Questions about Obama's birth certificate and Trump's taxes but none about the Clinton Foundation and pay-for-play? Benghazi? FBI investigation? etc...etc...
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    • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      Trump. No sniffles at all. The MIC was BROKE!.... The man has nothing but excuses. Simple fact, he has the sniffles, however he can't admit that. Why? Who knows. It's a serious fault will extend into many areas if he wins the office.



      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4LSbNRuY0
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      So bad mic that was so good it picked up his breathing. If that's the case he only breathed once every two or three minutes...
      The real problem will be when he comes out, with his insults/threats and bluster abroad and those Countries will take him seriously, it won't be Oh Trumps being Trump, they will think, this is a problem and act accordingly.
      The man is simply not fit to be President.

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      • Originally posted by Massena View Post
        You and Newt Gingrich, who, like Trump, is another fool.

        Trump didn't win as he did not have mastery of the material and continually misrepresented too many points.
        Trump didn't need to "have mastery of the material" to win. Which points did he misrepresent?



        Trump only needed to beat expectations to "win."


        Originally posted by Massena
        He also mentioned that he didn't pay any income tax when called on it. That is disgraceful.

        No wonder he's getting audited repeatedly.
        So... He should have paid taxes he didn't owe?
        Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton called out Republican Donald Trump Monday night for paying no federal income taxes on some of his returns from decades ago.

        Trump responded: “That makes me smart.”

        http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...makes-me-smart

        Her Hagness has repeatedly misrepresented Trump's taxes...


        Hillary Clinton claim about Donald Trump paying no federal taxes ignores the years when he did

        By C. Eugene Emery Jr. on Tuesday, May 24th, 2016

        [...]

        We decided to see whether the only two tax returns made public show that Trump didn't pay a penny.

        Clinton has one thing correct here -- public records do indicate that there were two years in the 1970s when Trump paid nothing in federal taxes. But she got a few key points wrong. Namely, the same public records show three other years in which Trump did pay federal income taxes. Also, the public records Clinton referred to are not Trump's actual tax returns.

        [...]

        The key document relevant to Clinton’s statement is a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators analyzing Trump's finances as part of his efforts to get a casino license for a proposed casino-hotel complex. Page 33 reports on Trump's income and federal tax payments for 1975 through 1979.

        The report says that Trump did, in fact, pay federal taxes for three of those five years, a fact omitted in the Washington Post headline and story. It does not include the actual returns.

        The report says Trump paid no federal income tax in 1978 and 1979 because, according to the tax rules, he lost money.



        [...]

        Trump has made it clear in interviews and debates that he works aggressively to pay as little in taxes as possible.

        [...]

        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ump-paying-no/

        Anyone with half-a-brain or the means to hire a good CPA should work "aggressively to pay as little in taxes as possible."

        One would have to be as stupid as a Clinton supporter to pay income taxes on net losses.
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        • Originally posted by History fan View Post
          The man is simply not fit to be President.
          ...but Hillary the Criminal is?
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          • It will be interesting to see the national polls on who won. I thought Clinton won.
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            • Originally posted by taco View Post
              It will be interesting to the national polls on who won. I thought Clinton won.
              The polls on the debate generally indicate that Her Hagness won the debate.

              The thing that matters is what effect the debate will have on the election polls over the next few days.
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              • Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                ...but Hillary the Criminal is?
                Compared to Trump yes, anyone else (except Cruz) no

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                • Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                  ...but Hillary the Criminal is?
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                  • Simple question for Trump supporters. His statement this morning about a bad mic:

                    “I had a problem with a microphone that didn't work. I don’t know if you saw that in the room, but my microphone was terrible. I wonder, was it set up that way on purpose,” he said. “My microphone, in the room they couldn't hear me, you know, it was going on and off. Which isn't exactly great. I wonder if it was set up that way, but it was terrible.”
                    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4LSpq2390

                    Can anyone honestly say that at ANY time his mic cut out and you could not hear him? The same mic that fed the room, fed the video feed.

                    Video is out on the web. Can anyone show us and example?

                    And of course he implies that it was deliberate....

                    Mr Excuse.
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • Hillary Clinton not good enough to stop her slide

                      By Eric Fehrnstrom SEPTEMBER 27, 2016

                      IF ANYONE expected a different Donald Trump to show up at Monday night’s debate, they would have been disappointed. Trump was like an excitable dog running around the house, jumping on people and sending grandma’s heirloom vase crashing to the floor.

                      Still, it was good enough to fight Hillary Clinton to a draw. Here’s why:

                      Clinton was calm, cool, and at times a little too smug for her own good.

                      [...]

                      She now trails Trump in key battleground states won by President Obama in 2012, and the national polling is tied.

                      Clinton needed a big, defining moment and didn’t get it. The best she could do was point people to her website for fact-checking .

                      The press and pundits will try to score the debate for Clinton, but they miss the big picture. Trump is the outsider in a year when two-thirds of the American people think the nation is on the wrong track. When Trump said of Clinton, “Typical politician: all talk, no action,” he delivered the most devastating line of the night. Clinton is the consummate insider. Yes, she has experience, but as Trump said, “It’s the wrong kind of experience.”

                      So, what now? Clinton’s campaign is rapidly losing altitude, a fact that her supporters and the press can no longer deny. The trend lines are not in her favor.

                      [...]

                      http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...PyK/story.html
                      How Trump won over a bar full of undecideds and Democrats

                      By Salena Zito September 26, 2016

                      YOUNGSTOWN, Pa. — Ken Reed sat down at the main bar of the Tin Lizzy tavern with two things in mind: to dig into the tavern’s oversize cheese steak, and watch the presidential debate.

                      “I am hungry and undecided, in that order,” he said, digging into the savory dish in a bar that dates back to 1746.

                      [...]

                      Reed, 35, is a registered Democrat and small businessman. “By the end of the debate, Clinton never said a thing to persuade me that she had anything to offer me or my family or my community,” he said, sitting at the same bar that has boasted local icons as regulars, such as the late Fred Rogers, and Arnold Palmer, who had his own stash of PM Whiskey hidden behind newer bottles of whiskey for his regular visits.

                      “Have to say Trump had the edge this evening, he came out swinging but also talked about specifics on jobs and the economy,” Reed said.

                      Reed said Clinton came across as either smug or as though she was reading her résumé, adding there was nothing on her résumé that touched on his life. “I am a small businessman, a farmer, come from a long line of farmers and coal miners. The policies she talked about tonight ultimately either hurt me or ignore me,” he said.

                      [...]

                      http://nypost.com/2016/09/26/the-bes...nside-the-bar/
                      Clinton, Trump round one a draw — and that’s bad news for Hillary
                      By Post Editorial Board September 27, 2016

                      The first Clinton-Trump debate was roughly a draw — which is bad news for her, because she needs to turn this race around, and she failed.

                      Clinton was on the attack most of the night, with the marked help of moderator Lester Holt. But she didn’t score any body blows — nor remotely offer a rationale for her candidacy beyond he’s just too dangerous, a case she failed to make.

                      Trump wasted time on pointless defense on basically irrelevant issues — the birther stuff, his taxes and so on. But he didn’t come off as the maniac she needs him to be. New to this game, yes; too volatile, no.

                      [...]

                      http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/clinton...s-for-hillary/

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                      • Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                        Simple question for Trump supporters. His statement this morning about a bad mic:



                        Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4LSpq2390

                        Can anyone honestly say that at ANY time his mic cut out and you could not hear him? The same mic that fed the room, fed the video feed.

                        Video is out on the web. Can anyone show us and example?

                        And of course he implies that it was deliberate....

                        Mr Excuse.
                        So says...



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                        • http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37481070
                          It was a battle between the lawyer and the salesman, and for the most part the lawyer came out on top.

                          It may be hard to remember, but before Mrs Clinton was a secretary of state, or a senator or a first lady, she was a lawyer - and, by all regards, a talented one.

                          And after all these years, she still campaigns like one. Meticulous, cautious, controlled. What works in the courtroom, with its rules and customs, often doesn't fly in free-wheeling political debates, however.

                          Mr Trump, on the other hand, is the consummate salesman. Rules, tradition, even the truth are only relevant in so much as they help seal the deal.

                          The weaknesses of this approach is the perception that the salesman is all talk and no substance - a problem that can be exacerbated by 90 minutes under the debate spotlights.

                          In the end, the lawyerly preparations paid off for Mrs Clinton, as she controlled the evening with forensic precision.

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                          • http://bigstory.ap.org/article/27e77...rump-was-trump
                            WASHINGTON (AP) — She was at her best. He was not at his worst.

                            Weeks of Super Bowl-style hype aside, Monday night's 90 minutes of heated clashes between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump probably didn't shove many undecided voters off the fence.

                            If Clinton aimed to push her famously unpredictable opponent into a made-for-sharing disqualifying moment, she didn't quite get there. If Trump set out to show America — particularly women — he's completed the transformation from cartoonish pop culture staple to leader worthy of the Oval Office, he still has a way to go.

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                            • http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-in-the-polls/
                              Democrats woke up on Monday to a spate of bad polls for Hillary Clinton, which brought Donald Trump to perhaps his closest position yet in the Electoral College. They had reason to go to bed feeling a lot better. Clinton bested Trump in the first presidential debate according to a variety of metrics, and the odds are that she’ll gain in head-to-head polls over Trump in the coming days.

                              Start with a CNN poll of debate-watchers, which showed that 62 percent of voters thought Clinton won the debate compared to 27 percent for Trump — a 35-point margin. That’s the third-widest margin ever in a CNN or Gallup post-debate poll, which date back to 1984. The only more lopsided outcomes were the 1992 town hall debate between Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ross Perot — widely seen as a maestro performance by Clinton — and the first debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, when the CNN poll showed a 42-point win for Romney and the horse-race polls moved in his favor in the following days.

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                              • Donald Trump won, but he needs to be better on his own best arguments


                                By Charles Hurt - - Tuesday, September 27, 2016
                                ANALYSIS/OPINION:

                                HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — Monday night’s debate here was a tremendous victory for Donald Trump, but his performance left plenty of room for improvement.

                                Big picture: Polls show support for Hillary Clinton is collapsing, and she desperately needed to stanch the bleeding. She did nothing during the debate to change the trajectory of those increasingly bleak polls.

                                With states like Pennsylvania and Colorado in play this week, we could be talking about states like Michigan and Wisconsin in play next week. That would put the race away early for Mr. Trump.

                                Mrs. Clinton’s primary charge against Mr. Trump is that he lacks the “temperament” to be president. In an easy glide Monday night, Mr. Trump demonstrated otherwise.

                                [...]

                                http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...is-own-best-a/

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