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  • #91
    On a side note, the most tweeted comment of the night seems to have been this tweet from Trump back in 2012:
    The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
      He won because he wasn't really trying.


      "That sort of labeling" was Her Hagness' only path to victory... However, Trump stopped cooperating a few weeks ago.
      Which only further illustrates how Hillary pulling out a victory/draw/near loss reflects poorly upon Trump. The more pathetic she and her campaign is, the more shocking it is when Trump doesn't do better against her.

      It's like running a marathon against the comatose - the silver medal doesn't give you much to brag about.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
        All over the place...
        Former Michigan governor and Clinton surrogate Jennifer Granholm and former George W. Bush senior aide and White House Political Director Sara Fagen agreed that expectations for each candidate are drastically different —primarily because of Trump's political inexperience and Clinton's gender.
        The real estate mogul can only benefit from lowered expectations, Granholm said.

        https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc....ts-debate.html

        Team Clinton just figured this out last week...
        The Clinton campaign made the case that her opponent — with an assist from media coverage — has such a low bar to clear that it would make it easy for him to exceed expectations.

        “I’m very concerned that Donald Trump will be graded . . . on a curve,” Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook said on CNN. “Just because he doesn’t fly off the handle in the middle of this debate doesn’t mean that he’s prepared to be president of the United States.”

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bos...4Tx5H/amp.html
        Those are nice, but I was asking specifically about a major American industry with a large media footprint and thousands of employees. Can you post something by the MSM itself, rather than quotes from Clinton officials?

        Considering the size and exposure of the MSM, surely you have a goodly body of commentary by journalists reflecting their views that Trump was just going to hurl insults at Hillary.

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        • #94
          The Mash has summed up the Trump/Clinton debate the best
          http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/i...20160927114429

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
            What is shocking is that Hillary looked like she said more about her emails than Trump did - he had a golden ticket to dig that knife in, and instead rambled about his son, China, and "cyber" while she apologized and tried to seem like less of a robot.

            Hillary was bland and predictable, if a bit more aggressive than one might have expected. Trump was a mess. His supporters will eat it up, but is there a single question he answered a) on time and b) in a coherent manner?

            If these had been students present reports to the class, Clinton would have earned a mid- to low-B, while Trump would have been sent to the Vice Principals office for refusing to follow directions.
            Good summary. Win to Hillary, if not a huge one.

            Trump was a toned down version of his usual rambling self, but not toned down enough. He didn't lose it, but neither did he find it. A few well focused answers, but a lot more that couldn't find 'well focused' with a GPS. It goes without saying that he peppered his remarks with half truths & outright falsehood. The other thing that stood out to me was just how often he interrupted & spoke over her. It wasn't surprising. its something me do almost without thinking about it, but its something women frequently notice. Trump is tanking badly among educated women. That performance won't help.

            Clinton never looks that comfortable behind a mic, and this was no exception. She sounded rehearsed and a bit stilted and fluffed her lines a couple of times. She also sounded well informed & like she knew what she was talking about. No bad thing for a prospective President.

            Trump is still behind, if not as far as he was. He needs to win big in these debates. Even a draw is not ideal. This wasn't a draw.
            Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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            • #96
              Originally posted by BF69 View Post
              Good summary. Win to Hillary, if not a huge one.

              Trump was a toned down version of his usual rambling self, but not toned down enough. He didn't lose it, but neither did he find it. A few well focused answers, but a lot more that couldn't find 'well focused' with a GPS. It goes without saying that he peppered his remarks with half truths & outright falsehood. The other thing that stood out to me was just how often he interrupted & spoke over her. It wasn't surprising. its something me do almost without thinking about it, but its something women frequently notice. Trump is tanking badly among educated women. That performance won't help.

              Clinton never looks that comfortable behind a mic, and this was no exception. She sounded rehearsed and a bit stilted and fluffed her lines a couple of times. She also sounded well informed & like she knew what she was talking about. No bad thing for a prospective President.

              Trump is still behind, if not as far as he was. He needs to win big in these debates. Even a draw is not ideal. This wasn't a draw.
              I'm waiting till later today before breaking out the big list of lies. Hillary was your standard politician - evasive, bland, refusing to give concrete answers unless they contained some nugget to be used in an attack. In other words, your standard Washington performance.

              Trump though... Trump lied outright three or four times off the top of my head.

              So while Clinton was vapid enough to avoid making large lies - again, SOP for Washington is to talk a lot while saying nothing of substance, and Hillary embodies that - Trump dove right on into them. I mean, usually politicians will tell half-lies and manipulate data to suit their needs. Trump had a couple of blatant lies that were just stunning. Absolutely stunning.

              I fear that there isn't a conservative or liberal in this nation with any real moral fiber these days.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                Those are nice, but I was asking specifically about a major American industry with a large media footprint and thousands of employees. Can you post something by the MSM itself, rather than quotes from Clinton officials?

                Considering the size and exposure of the MSM, surely you have a goodly body of commentary by journalists reflecting their views that Trump was just going to hurl insults at Hillary.
                NBC...
                "Trump has a very low bar — just go onstage and don't look completely unhinged," said Ryan Williams, a GOP strategist who worked on Jeb Bush's presidential campaign. "If he's somewhat statesmanlike with his trademark bravado, he'll do fine."

                Trump's chief goal is to win back voters who normally vote for GOP candidates but are concerned about his temperament and knowledge compared to past nominees.

                "He doesn't have to be better than Hillary, but he is going to have to show a command of the subject matter beyond just glitzy sound bites in order to pacify some segments of the electorate," Republican consultant Ford O'Connell said.

                Clinton, meanwhile, faces sky-high expectations. She's an experienced debater, having participated in nearly 40 debates since her first campaign for Senate in New York 16 years ago, and has been holding marathon prep sessions at a debate camp set up in a hotel near her Chappaqua home.

                http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/201...debate-n654131

                WaPo...
                “I think that Trump is buoyed by the very low expectations. This is a guy who’s never debated one-on-one … So if he does passably, we’ll all say he won,” a Politico reporter said last week. The headline of a lead story on Politico this morning, citing anonymous “insiders,” declares that “The heat is on Hillary.”

                “A lot of people are going to look at Donald Trump and think, ‘Hey, if he can even get out a good sentence and show off his experience, then he's doing well,’” New York Times correspondent Yamiche Alcindor said on “Morning Joe” last week, addressing the Clinton campaign’s complaints that she’s being subjected to a double standard.

                “Clinton has the much tougher task tonight,” NPR declares in its curtain-raiser this morning. “She has the burden of high expectations. The former senator and secretary of state, who's now been through two presidential campaigns, is an experienced debater who knows policy inside and out. But her job is very hard — Clinton has to convince voters who don't want to vote for Trump but haven't warmed up to her that she is likeable, honest and trustworthy. And she has to press her case that Trump is unqualified to be president without being overly aggressive or ‘harsh.’”

                “I do think that the stakes are much higher in this debate and all the debates for Hillary Clinton,” CNN’s Dana Bash said on the air recently. “Because she is a seasoned politician. She is a seasoned debater. Yes, we saw Donald Trump in the primaries debate for the first time, but he is a first-time politician. So for lots of reasons—maybe it's not fair, but it's the way it is—the onus is on her.”

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...69b3019a1e036/
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                • #98
                  Just had some sound bites with morning coffee, they were boring.

                  Is the full transcript somewhere ?
                  High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.

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                  • #99
                    Trump was doing well initially, but then resorted to his old manner of interruption, false accusations, and lying.

                    He came off as rude and not knowing much at all.

                    Win to Hillary.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Trump was doing well initially, but then resorted to his old manner of interruption, false accusations, and lying.

                      He came off as rude and not knowing much at all.

                      Win to Hillary.
                      Bluster helped to wrong foot his opponents in the GOP debates, but that was pitched to a different audience and was in a different setting. It won't work as well here. I wonder if he will be able to restrain himself in the second debate.
                      Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                      • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                        I'm waiting till later today before breaking out the big list of lies. Hillary was your standard politician - evasive, bland, refusing to give concrete answers unless they contained some nugget to be used in an attack. In other words, your standard Washington performance.

                        Trump though... Trump lied outright three or four times off the top of my head.

                        So while Clinton was vapid enough to avoid making large lies - again, SOP for Washington is to talk a lot while saying nothing of substance, and Hillary embodies that - Trump dove right on into them. I mean, usually politicians will tell half-lies and manipulate data to suit their needs. Trump had a couple of blatant lies that were just stunning. Absolutely stunning.

                        I fear that there isn't a conservative or liberal in this nation with any real moral fiber these days.
                        I think that points to a fundamental difference in the two. Both are prepared to mislead to achieve a certain end. I think Clinton knows when she is doing it, which is why she is less blatant. I think there are a lot of times when Trump simply believes that if he says it then it must be true. As a result the lies can be big & blatant. Unfortunately there are a lot of his supporters happy to encourage the delusion that it isn't a lie if he says it.
                        Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                        • I watched the debate, and felt Trump had an edge talking about trade and economics, but was otherwise flat.




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                          • Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post




                            Which only further illustrates how Hillary pulling out a victory/draw/near loss reflects poorly upon Trump. The more pathetic she and her campaign is, the more shocking it is when Trump doesn't do better against her.

                            It's like running a marathon against the comatose - the silver medal doesn't give you much to brag about.
                            This is all Trump needed to do to win...
                            Trump pulled off presidential
                            James S. Robbins 11:50 p.m. EDT September 26, 2016

                            Like Reagan in 1980, viewers saw a Trump who was better than the liberal talking points.

                            You can’t fact check leadership, and tonight Donald Trump showed himself a leader.


                            [...]

                            Even in the pre-internet age, moderators did not see themselves as real-time arbiters of the ground truth. There were five journalists on the stage in October 1980 during the debate between Democratic President Jimmy Carter and Republican challenger Ronald Reagan, and none of them felt compelled to question the facts. Carter and Reagan took care of that. Fact checking was the occasion for Reagan’s memorable comment, “there you go again,” when he was taking exception to Carter’s representation of his views on Medicare.

                            Overall, Carter kept Reagan on the defensive, and the president probably won on points. However, Reagan’s affability and easy manner wore well against Carter’s stern lecturing. Reagan did not come off as the cartoonish, conservative cowboy of Democratic talking points. The Lowell Sun observed, “Ronald Reagan had not self-destructed. He had not made any ill-advised statements that were clearly foolish, as Carter had hoped. Reagan appeared calm under Carter’s attack. With his polished stage manner, he went a long way in presenting himself as presidential timber.” Many Americans agreed. A Gallup poll two days before the debate showed Reagan trailing Carter 39% to 47%. A week later, Reagan won the election 51% to 41%.

                            The same words could apply to 2016. Donald Trump did not self-destruct, he did not make foolish statements (whether you agree with him or not), he gave as well as he got. And despite Clinton’s numerous mocking remarks to the contrary, he came off as presidential. And that’s a fact.

                            http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/91141618/

                            Her Hagness needed to perpetuate the lie that Trump is a racist, misogynistic madman to reverse this trend...



                            She failed miserably.

                            Trump didn't need to beat her on debate points. He just had to beat expectations.

                            He succeeded well enough. Although he missed many opportunities to knock her out. My guess is that he will actually prepare for the next debate.
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                            • You and Newt Gingrich, who, like Trump, is another fool.

                              Trump didn't win as he did not have mastery of the material and continually misrepresented too many points.

                              He also mentioned that he didn't pay any income tax when called on it. That is disgraceful.

                              No wonder he's getting audited repeatedly.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • Trump. No sniffles at all. The MIC was BROKE!.... The man has nothing but excuses. Simple fact, he has the sniffles, however he can't admit that. Why? Who knows. It's a serious fault will extend into many areas if he wins the office.

                                "No, no sniffles. You know, the mic was very bad, but maybe it was good enough to hear breathing," Trump told "Fox & Friends." "But no sniffles. No cold."
                                Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4LSbNRuY0
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                                So bad mic that was so good it picked up his breathing. If that's the case he only breathed once every two or three minutes...
                                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                                “To talk of many things:
                                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                                Of cabbages—and kings—
                                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                                And whether pigs have wings.”
                                ― Lewis Carroll

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