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  • #16
    I seem to remember several threads where people here predicted a shrieking Hilly that would come out and look unhinged. I predicted then that they'd not like the debates.
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

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    • #17
      http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...htmlstory.html

      "Scorecard: Times political writers unanimously declare Clinton the winner of round 1"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Tuebor View Post
        I didn't vote, because the "real" choice was win, lose, or draw. Not Win or lose.

        T.
        Because I didn't want waffling - I wanted people to have to pick a winner. If someone were to actually believe this was a literal 50-50, then I expected them to justify that. Otherwise, someone won.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
          I seem to remember several threads where people here predicted a shrieking Hilly that would come out and look unhinged. I predicted then that they'd not like the debates.
          She did better than I expected but she can't be president. In fact her good performance may backfire as trust has always been her Achilles heel.

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          • #20
            Well, the response is totally partisan, no surprise there.
            I guess both of them know how to appeal to their base... shocker, eh?

            With the help of the moderator (again, no surprise) I'd say Clinton did well enough to eek out a near-draw.
            (Could you add that option to the poll?)

            Trump could have done better with good preparation and could have jumped on a lot of things that he just left on the table. Hillary got a lot of cheap shots in when it was too late to answer them, and her cheering section went nuts on cue.

            Meh, it was a draw, IMHO. He was less obnoxious than usual, they both seemed a little better informed than usual, neither one said much that I wanted to hear.
            "Why is the Rum gone?"

            -Captain Jack

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            • #21
              http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/marke...st-debate.html

              "Markets declare Hillary Clinton the winner of first debate"

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              • #22
                CNN instant polls on winner of first debate: 2008 Obama 51% McCain 38% 2016 (tonight) Clinton 62% Trump 27% #debate2016 #debates
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                • #23
                  http://time.com/4506217/presidential...-trump-survey/

                  Time is putting Trump ahead on their winner poll.

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                  • #24
                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ential-debate/

                    From Washington Post:
                    Winners
                    * Hillary Clinton: Clinton wasn't perfect in this debate. At times she came across as overly rehearsed and robotic. I thought her answer on race relations was way too much head and not enough heart. But, Clinton was head and shoulders better than Trump. She was, unsurprisingly, very well prepared -- using a slew of facts and figures to not only make her positive case but also to slam Trump. She was terrific in bashing Trump on taxes. Her response to Trump's attack on her temperament -- the shoulder shimmy! -- was effective. Her birtherism response -- while low-hanging fruit -- was effective. And, on her biggest weakness -- her decision to establish a private email server at the State Department, Clinton skated. She delivered a full and unequivocal apology -- what a concept! -- and the debate moved on without much of a stir. This was a clear win for her on virtually every front.

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                    • #25
                      http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/...al-debate.html
                      Losers:

                      1). Donald Trump – Trump had a bad debate on every level. Stripped of audience and ability to freewheel, Trump was flailing and responding to Clinton. Trump botched a question about his tax returns. He used Hillary Clinton’s emails in a defensive manner. Instead of attacking Clinton, Trump was the reactionary candidate.

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                      • #26
                        http://thehill.com/homenews/news/297...won-the-debate

                        The Hill's poll currently has Trump ahead by 16%

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                        • #27
                          http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...-fights-228710
                          The Republican nominee loses his cool as a composed Clinton hits him on his business record, the Iraq war, and his secret Islamic State plan.

                          A composed Hillary Clinton got under Donald Trump’s skin during their high-stakes showdown on Monday night, with the Republican nominee persistently interrupting Clinton as she needled him on his business record, the size of his fortune and his relationship with the truth.

                          “You know, Donald was very fortunate in his life and that's all to his benefit. He started his business with $14 million, borrowed from his father, and he really believes that the more you help wealthy people, the better off we'll be and that everything will work out from there,” Clinton said in her opening blow, as she worked throughout the night to paint him as a crass billionaire who has stomped on everyday Americans.

                          ...

                          Trump soon fired back with one of the evening’s most memorable lines. “When you try to act holier than thou it really doesn’t work.”

                          The exchange was emblematic of a debate not deep on substantive policy differences but full of attacks, with both candidates landing blows that will resonate with their established bases of support.

                          “I have a feeling that by the end of this evening I am going to be blamed for everything,” Clinton said with a smile.

                          “Why not?” Trump retorted.

                          “Just join the debate by saying more crazy things,” Clinton snapped back.

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                          • #28
                            Trump kicked the living schist out of her...
                            Hillary Clinton accused Donald Trump of self-dealing and racism and he attacked her long political record as empty and ineffectual as the two rivals bared their deep personal dislike Monday in a slashing and sharply pointed first presidential debate.

                            The two differed — among many issues — over taxes, the state of the economy and how to mend the country’s fraught race relations.

                            Mostly they clashed over the virtues of a career spent in public service, as Clinton has done, versus the role of a political neophyte, like Trump, who has devoted himself to building a personal real estate fortune and fame as a reality TV star.

                            Clinton accused Trump of favoring massive tax cuts for the well-to-do, such as himself, in a return to the kind of trickle-down economics that led to the Great Recession.

                            [...]

                            https://www.google.com/search?ei=xOr...scso=uid_5:401

                            Otherwise, the MSM would have something more than this...
                            Hillary Clinton used the first presidential debate to launch a full frontal attack on Donald Trump, baiting him into fights over his personal finances, taxes, sexism, race relations, business dealings and personal honesty.

                            If Clinton came looking for a fight, she found it. Her aggressive tone drew Trump in.

                            He attacked Clinton right back, showing flashes of anger that channeled public frustration, and also the coarser side of his public persona.

                            It made for some lively exchanges, including several that brought an edge to Trump’s tone.

                            “She doesn’t have the look,” Trump said toward the end of the debate. “She doesn’t have the stamina.”

                            Trump appeared rattled at times, particularly as the debate wore on. Yet his main attacks on Clinton were rooted in policy grounds, as he sought to give voice to public anger not just at Clinton but at the broader political class.

                            [...]

                            https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.g...%3fid=42362757

                            Where are the "snap polls" that were so prevalent 4 and 8 years ago?
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                              Trump kicked the living schist out of her...
                              Hillary Clinton accused Donald Trump of self-dealing and racism and he attacked her long political record as empty and ineffectual as the two rivals bared their deep personal dislike Monday in a slashing and sharply pointed first presidential debate.

                              The two differed — among many issues — over taxes, the state of the economy and how to mend the country’s fraught race relations.

                              Mostly they clashed over the virtues of a career spent in public service, as Clinton has done, versus the role of a political neophyte, like Trump, who has devoted himself to building a personal real estate fortune and fame as a reality TV star.

                              Clinton accused Trump of favoring massive tax cuts for the well-to-do, such as himself, in a return to the kind of trickle-down economics that led to the Great Recession.

                              [...]

                              https://www.google.com/search?ei=xOr...scso=uid_5:401

                              Otherwise, the MSM would have something more than this...
                              Hillary Clinton used the first presidential debate to launch a full frontal attack on Donald Trump, baiting him into fights over his personal finances, taxes, sexism, race relations, business dealings and personal honesty.

                              If Clinton came looking for a fight, she found it. Her aggressive tone drew Trump in.

                              He attacked Clinton right back, showing flashes of anger that channeled public frustration, and also the coarser side of his public persona.

                              It made for some lively exchanges, including several that brought an edge to Trump’s tone.

                              “She doesn’t have the look,” Trump said toward the end of the debate. “She doesn’t have the stamina.”

                              Trump appeared rattled at times, particularly as the debate wore on. Yet his main attacks on Clinton were rooted in policy grounds, as he sought to give voice to public anger not just at Clinton but at the broader political class.

                              [...]

                              https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.g...%3fid=42362757

                              Where are the "snap polls" that were so prevalent 4 and 8 years ago?
                              On Google.

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                              • #30
                                Our post debate poll finds voters think Hillary Clinton won 51-40. Full results coming in next half hour

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