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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    Ask the poster who advocated eliminating Islam as a religion and taking away their Constitutional religious rights.
    It's muslims that put the political ahead of the religious. They don't act like a religion, they shouldn't be protected as one.

    Again, in reference to the poster who wishes for us to legally outlaw one specific religion.
    Who said anything about outlawing? I advocate stripping it of the protections it hides behind as it advances it's political agenda.

    Maybe you should stick to your little BLM terrorists.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    Are you saying that Islamist terrorism or ideology is a threat to the very existence of American society or the continuation of your nation state?
    It's a threat to the world as a whole. Just look at where islam rules.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    And now we're calling for a suspension of the First Amendment. Old Uncle Adolf would be proud.
    No. Just a realistic definition of islam. And at this point in time islam does not deserve the protections of the 1st concerning religion.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    Again, no thanks. I'll gladly keep my rights instead of giving them up because of the nonexistential threat of terrorism. I don't condone persecution based on religion either, because if we're to start stamping out violent religions Christianity is right up there on that list.
    Christianity was violent as it spread. And it was political more so than religious at the time. History is trying to repeat with islam.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    Here you go Sal, I don't expect an apology and of course I know I won't get one.
    You are so very wrong. In order to persecute a religion, that religion must exist. And islam is not currently a religion.

    You deserve no apologies.

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  • slick_miester
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    Do I hear calls for "protecting our culture"? That takes me back to the good ole' days of George Wallace, where "protecting our culture" meant white hoods, burning crosses, and bombed out churches. For a long, long time, in places disparate in both time and space, "protecting our culture" has been code for "maintaining our advantage" over some other unfortunate segment of the population. God knows they say it often enough in Saudi Arabia. Bull Conner was no less a terrorist than Cixi or Usama bin Laden or Gerry Adams or Ulrike Meinhof or Bill Ayres.

    And now we're calling for a suspension of the First Amendment. Old Uncle Adolf would be proud.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    Lol, the Constitution is so sacred when the second amendment is at stake, but freedom of religion? Let's violate it to persecute anyone but Christians! This hypocrisy simply floors me. You hold one amendment sacred and spew all sorts of hate at everyone for it, but you casually demand we destroy the first amendment. Unbelievable that a human mind can be that irrational.
    First of all I'm not Christian.

    I want to see religious status temporarily stripped from islam because islam is currently less a religion than a political entity. Not religion in general, a specific one that that blurs the line between religious and political. It's islam and muslims that are to blame and it's up to them to reform and become simply a religion that should be protected by the 1st.

    You can't win a war unless you accept the enemy for what it is. What I'm suggesting is that islam is not a religion, and shouldn't be protected at this point in time.

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  • JFKvsNixon
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, no, someone who is declared anarchist is not going to be allowed to immigrate on the basis of politics. Those that are home grown are usually put on law enforcement watch lists.
    Since Sharia law is a political / legal system based on religion it is fair game as a test for immigration. It doesn't ask so much if you're Muslim, but rather do you as a Muslim want to impose religious laws and government on the country you want to live in. The later is a political views test. Too bad for the Muslim that their religion mixes politics into it intimately.



    So, if in WW 2 Japanese and German citizens were fleeing their countries because we were bombing the holy $h!+ out of them we have some duty to take them?
    I call complete BS on that. We have no duty or obligation to take those in Syria fleeing from a civil war. Why should we be obligated in any way to sort out the supposed "innocents" from terrorists, insurgents, and others actively fighting that war?
    Tell you what. You want them here? How about you sponsor a family. Let them live with you. You can pay their Obamacare policy and support them too.
    Me? They ain't got nothin' comin'. Next time maybe they won't tolerate a brutal dictatorship in their own country.
    May I point out an important distinction. The USA isn't at war with Syria; they're meant to be Syria's allies in that conflict. So if we were to put your example into it's correct context, it would be that the West doesn't have any obligation to look after the ISIS followers. I'd agree strongly with that sentiment.

    As for the rest of the people who are caught up in the conflict, I see it more as the "haves" helping out the "have nots".

    If the West believes that it can pull up the drawbridge and shield itself away from the rest of the world, then it's in for a massive wake up call. It's done very well out of globalisation, but it cuts both ways. We now have a much more connected brought about by globalisation, so the "have nots" all want the prosperity and the security that most of us enjoy and I'm afraid that hiding behind a big wall is not solution to the problem.

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Within my lifetime: Weather Underground, Zebra Killers, Croatian separatists, ALF, FALN, Kahane Chai, al Qaeda -- all have conducted terrorist attacks within the confines of NYC. Though my back tells me otherwise, I'm really not that old. I certainly wasn't around for the 1920 Wall Street bombing, which was likely part of an Italian anarchist revenge global campaign for Sacco and Vanzetti.
    Anyone can repeat what was happened when everything has been revealed. It takes skill and judgement however to make the correct call on limited or seemingly unclear information.

    Before the wanted picture was posted it was pretty obvious that it was Islamic terrorist(s) who were already resident in the US.
    The target in NJ was a repeat of the Boston attack. Used improvised bombs in NY that were the same as used in Boston and the bombs used in NJ were also improvised. Smart money was always going to be on that the attacker was of a similar nature.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    You can, that's the point. We don't put religious tests in place, but we also shouldn't allow anyone linked to terrorism into the country. We allow anarchists in our country, therefore we also don't do political tests.
    Actually, no, someone who is declared anarchist is not going to be allowed to immigrate on the basis of politics. Those that are home grown are usually put on law enforcement watch lists.
    Since Sharia law is a political / legal system based on religion it is fair game as a test for immigration. It doesn't ask so much if you're Muslim, but rather do you as a Muslim want to impose religious laws and government on the country you want to live in. The later is a political views test. Too bad for the Muslim that their religion mixes politics into it intimately.

    The example stands. We are all human, when innocents flee from murderous fools, the humanistic thing to do is care for them and allow them a place to be safe. Either they can live here or return to Syria when it is not a war zone.
    So, if in WW 2 Japanese and German citizens were fleeing their countries because we were bombing the holy $h!+ out of them we have some duty to take them?
    I call complete BS on that. We have no duty or obligation to take those in Syria fleeing from a civil war. Why should we be obligated in any way to sort out the supposed "innocents" from terrorists, insurgents, and others actively fighting that war?
    Tell you what. You want them here? How about you sponsor a family. Let them live with you. You can pay their Obamacare policy and support them too.
    Me? They ain't got nothin' comin'. Next time maybe they won't tolerate a brutal dictatorship in their own country.

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    No I did not. Don't put words into my mouth to make a strawman.

    Don't bother. I won't reply to your strawman trolls. Good bye
    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    You can't guarantee crap. Again you show senseless arrogance talking about stuff you have absolutely no control over.


    True again. You make up stuff and run with it.
    Either you misunderstood a word (easily done) or you were just disagreeing with the other poster for the sake of disagreeing.

    Strawman trolls - or simple questions based on what you are saying. Even polite questions **** you off it seems. Will leave you to your inane disagreements with other people. Let us know which words you need help with.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    Are you saying that Islamist terrorism or ideology is a threat to the very existence of American society or the continuation of your nation state?
    No I did not. Don't put words into my mouth to make a strawman.

    Don't bother. I won't reply to your strawman trolls. Good bye

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
    You are making a prediction based on your beliefs. There is no way you can guarantee anything.

    Again, who here wants to persecute people due to their religion only? Put up or shut up.
    Are you saying that Islamist terrorism or ideology is a threat to the very existence of American society or the continuation of your nation state?

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
    There are NO secular Muslims doing anything to thwart Muslim Terrorism in the West ,you should know it.
    There, fixed it for you.

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  • sebfrench76
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    How about all the secular Muslims?
    There are NO secular Muslims,you should know it.

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