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  • #76
    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    The apologists are out in force today!

    It's a war, and islam needs to be temporarily stripped of it's status as a religion.

    Americans in general shouldn't live in fear, the muslim population should. If you're a muslim in America, you should be scrutinized. Don't like it, too f***in' bad. Do something about the extremists among you.

    I can't wait to read the excuses as to why these attacks happened. Will they be as creative as Orlando?

    And why are some discussing the Irish or Italians of a hundred years ago? Please people, keep your eye on the ball. That BS doesn't fly.
    Lol, the Constitution is so sacred when the second amendment is at stake, but freedom of religion? Let's violate it to persecute anyone but Christians! This hypocrisy simply floors me. You hold one amendment sacred and spew all sorts of hate at everyone for it, but you casually demand we destroy the first amendment. Unbelievable that a human mind can be that irrational.
    First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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    • #77
      The United States has been persecuting religions since colonial times. One is guaranteed freedom of religion, but not respect of the chosen religion. Also a factor is all the cults that have popped up over the years. Religions should be taken on an individual basis. Even freedom from religion.

      Pruitt
      Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

      Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

      by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
        The United States has been persecuting religions since colonial times. One is guaranteed freedom of religion, but not respect of the chosen religion. Also a factor is all the cults that have popped up over the years. Religions should be taken on an individual basis. Even freedom from religion.

        Pruitt
        The United States has been persecuting all sorts of things since its foundation, but we've come a long way. I'm not willing to throw away that progress so some radical insane Christians can persecute Muslims.
        First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
          Lol, the Constitution is so sacred when the second amendment is at stake, but freedom of religion? Let's violate it to persecute anyone but Christians! This hypocrisy simply floors me. You hold one amendment sacred and spew all sorts of hate at everyone for it, but you casually demand we destroy the first amendment. Unbelievable that a human mind can be that irrational.
          I know, right? My personal favorite is when supposed "conservatives" defend beating up protesters at Trump rallies but then turn around bash "safe spaces" on college campuses. Or when "conservatives" claim to support free speech but then bash Kaepernick for merely having a different opinion.

          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
          The United States has been persecuting religions since colonial times. One is guaranteed freedom of religion, but not respect of the chosen religion. Also a factor is all the cults that have popped up over the years. Religions should be taken on an individual basis. Even freedom from religion.

          Pruitt
          Hey, if I had my way government would be completely secular. No "Religious Right" bible thumpers. Religion should not dictate policy and that goes for the Koran same as the Bible.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
            The apologists are out in force today!

            It's a war, and islam needs to be temporarily stripped of it's status as a religion.

            Americans in general shouldn't live in fear, the muslim population should. If you're a muslim in America, you should be scrutinized. Don't like it, too f***in' bad. Do something about the extremists among you.

            I can't wait to read the excuses as to why these attacks happened. Will they be as creative as Orlando?

            And why are some discussing the Irish or Italians of a hundred years ago? Please people, keep your eye on the ball. That BS doesn't fly.
            They are just trying to derail and distract. Same old, same old.

            Our problem is a religion tells its followers that its a good thing to commit murder. If the Aztec religion was started again would they say 'its okay that they want cut peoples heart out?' All religions aren't equal, some are pretty awful. And if they teach that causing harm to others is a good thing should they be treated the same as one that that preaches peaceful and lawful behavior???
            Credo quia absurdum.


            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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            • #81
              Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
              I know, right? My personal favorite is when supposed "conservatives" defend beating up protesters at Trump rallies but then turn around bash "safe spaces" on college campuses. Or when "conservatives" claim to support free speech but then bash Kaepernick for merely having a different opinion.
              The two aren't compatible examples. Beating up protesters is wrong no matter the politics, but "safe spaces" on college campuses are more about individual's supposed right to be able to have their personal space free of all competing or opposing ideas, commentary, and thought.


              Hey, if I had my way government would be completely secular. No "Religious Right" bible thumpers. Religion should not dictate policy and that goes for the Koran same as the Bible.
              Yes, the government should be secular. Question... Would you extend that policy to cover Atheists?

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                The United States has been persecuting all sorts of things since its foundation, but we've come a long way. I'm not willing to throw away that progress so some radical insane Christians can persecute Muslims.
                Aggressively going after violent Muslims isn't wrong blindly following a countries Constitution isn't possible and is foolish when fighting an enemy external or internal ones it's not strength to do so when fighting a war like for example to keep bringing in immigrants from the enemies country or countries.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                  The United States has been persecuting all sorts of things since its foundation, but we've come a long way. I'm not willing to throw away that progress so some radical insane Christians can persecute Muslims.
                  I'm not a Christian, but I do think that radical Islamic terrorism and warfare is a sufficient problem we should ban most or all immigration from parts of the world and nations where that sort of thing is rampant. For example, we shouldn't be taking Syrian refugees. That's akin to taking say, Italian or Hungarian refugees during WW 2.
                  Why risk having some terrorists in the mix?

                  Besides, why is the US's responsibility to take refugees from a civil war in another nation? We have zero reason to be doing that. It's sort of saying "Gee, there's a war in your country so we'll let you come here and become a citizen of our country..." rather than "Gee, there's a war in your country. Maybe you should get involved and end that puppy and get a stable, decent government..."

                  Muslims have nothing special coming just because their own house is a total $h!+ hole made in large part by the same refugees wanting to leave.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by VinceW View Post
                    Aggressively going after violent Muslims isn't wrong blindly following a countries Constitution isn't possible and is foolish when fighting an enemy external or internal ones it's not strength to do so when fighting a war like for example to keep bringing in immigrants from the enemies country or countries.
                    That's not the problem. The problem is grouping all Muslims together.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                      That's not the problem. The problem is grouping all Muslims together.
                      Since the radical ones mix in with the rest the peaceful ones do little to report on them they need to be treated with extra caution not to the interning Japanese level but still more prejudical until things ever calm down.

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                      • #86
                        As I see it, until they have a reformation that outlaws enslavement, rape and murder things are going to problematical with the rest of the civilized world.
                        Credo quia absurdum.


                        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                          That's not the problem. The problem is grouping all Muslims together.
                          No, the problem is that some of the Muslims are killing us. And when they succeed they convince other Muslims that they are winning the war.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by VinceW View Post
                            Aggressively going after violent Muslims isn't wrong blindly following a countries Constitution isn't possible and is foolish when fighting an enemy external or internal ones it's not strength to do so when fighting a war like for example to keep bringing in immigrants from the enemies country or countries.
                            Again, no thanks. I'll gladly keep my rights instead of giving them up because of the nonexistential threat of terrorism. I don't condone persecution based on religion either, because if we're to start stamping out violent religions Christianity is right up there on that list.
                            First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              I'm not a Christian, but I do think that radical Islamic terrorism and warfare is a sufficient problem we should ban most or all immigration from parts of the world and nations where that sort of thing is rampant. For example, we shouldn't be taking Syrian refugees. That's akin to taking say, Italian or Hungarian refugees during WW 2.
                              Why risk having some terrorists in the mix?

                              Besides, why is the US's responsibility to take refugees from a civil war in another nation? We have zero reason to be doing that. It's sort of saying "Gee, there's a war in your country so we'll let you come here and become a citizen of our country..." rather than "Gee, there's a war in your country. Maybe you should get involved and end that puppy and get a stable, decent government..."

                              Muslims have nothing special coming just because their own house is a total $h!+ hole made in large part by the same refugees wanting to leave.
                              Screen immigration? Sure, we already do that fairly extensively, but we can improve on it. Screen based on religion? No thanks.

                              So you would also argue against taking Jewish refugees in WW2 because their loyalty could be to their home country? That is your exact argument. Apply your below argument to Jewish refugees again and try to rethink your position. We ended up giving them citizenship or a new country.
                              First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                                Again, no thanks. I'll gladly keep my rights instead of giving them up because of the nonexistential threat of terrorism. I don't condone persecution based on religion either, because if we're to start stamping out violent religions Christianity is right up there on that list.
                                They're a threat no matter how much you wish they haven't been and still are and will be for the foreseeable future and it shows your bias against White people like it is with all lefties and liberals that you're are still zeroed in on Christians who are predominantly White despite the fact that it's Muslims who have been carrying out most terrorist attacks in our countries.
                                You're all a part of the problem as well good for Britain or rather England for showing us leadership now to start dealing with this problem.
                                Last edited by VinceW; 19 Sep 16, 21:48.

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