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  • #61
    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Unless they're Muslim. Then each and every Muslim, no matter how insignificant he is, speaks and acts on behalf of all Muslims.
    The only people who make that claim are members of the liberal/progressive left charging someone else made that claim.

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    • #62
      Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying culture. Aristotle

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
        ^ this

        The reality is that most Muslims are good people. There are bad apples in every group. Should we deport all Italian Americans or place them into camps because of the Mafia? Should we deport all Mexicans because of drug cartels? Should all Irish be put into camps least they be a member of the IRA?

        Last but not least, for those who favor broad brush approaches:

        The US Constitution says that Muslims have a right to practice their faith freely the same as Christians, Jews, etc.
        I'm Irish myself, Italian as well

        Well....back in the 1880s-1910ss... some Americans viewed the non English speaking immigrant folks with suspicion. Its the same today, some Americans view Muslims(even American Muslims) with suspicion. Thing is it was alawys some Americans, as not all Americans were or are bigoted.

        Its up to guys like me and you to represent America as a country which rejects bigotry.
        Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
        Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

        George S Patton

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
          Would you, perchance, be attempting to take the moral high ground?

          You create a false premise. It's not about all in the group being bad, it's about high risk cultures v the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal and so there is no need to take account of that risk. People make their choice, argue their case and take some responsibility for the culture they help create. It is a debate that features in the US election, so Americans will make their choice.
          A Euro politician rightly pointed out that those who argue against so called multiculturalism are arguing for a society that has never existed, or will never exist. Multiple cultures have existed in practically every empire, Kingdom, country...you name it.
          Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
          Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

          George S Patton

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
            And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
            This is simply more moral high ground posturing. This is the West the multiculturalist created and the moral responsibility rests with this group to devise a plan to get us out of this predicament, not start wailing and pointing the finger at others. Please turn your brain power to practical solutions.
            Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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            • #66
              Anti muslim hate crimes skyrocketing? Where? Not here in the states, I know of a mosque that got firebombed, but it wasn't occupied at the time. Maybe if you libbies took a serious look at the news you'd find that 99.9% of terrorist attacks in the states has one common factor. islam.
              Credo quia absurdum.


              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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              • #67
                It is an interesting contrast how the two presidential candidates responded to this terrorist attack.

                Trump:

                ...the better approach would be to “knock the hell out of ‘em” and possibly introduce “racial profiling” as a counterterrorism tactic.

                “We have to lead for a change. Because we’re not knocking them, we’re hitting them once in awhile, we’re hitting them in certain places. We’re being very gentle about it. We’re going to have to be very tough,”
                And, Clinton:

                “This threat is real, but so is our resolve. Americans will not cower. We will prevail,” Clinton said. “We will defend our country, and we will defeat the evil, twisted ideology of the terrorists.”
                http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...Kz&ocid=SMSDHP

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                  A Euro politician rightly pointed out that those who argue against so called multiculturalism are arguing for a society that has never existed, or will never exist. Multiple cultures have existed in practically every empire, Kingdom, country...you name it.


                  Key words in bold.....so between a society which has never existed...and one which will not work, where should we go?

                  "MultiKultur" can only work under 2 circumstances:

                  1 - it is accepted by the majority of the native population (i.e. - not forced as a vehicle of ideological goals) and...

                  2 -the new culture cannot be introduced to the detriment of the existing one. There are risks and concerns, for political entities to dismiss these concerns with the usual retorts of "racism" and "fascism" is being intellectually dishonest, if not outright deceptive. Such retorts or accusations are no longer arguments.

                  It seems the definition, or rather the criteria of the term "Melting Pot" changes according to whom one speaks to. The only thing certain is that no one seems to agree on what this is exactly.
                  You'll live, only the best get killed.

                  -General Charles de Gaulle

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                    I'm Irish myself, Italian as well

                    Well....back in the 1880s-1910ss... some Americans viewed the non English speaking immigrant folks with suspicion. Its the same today, some Americans view Muslims(even American Muslims) with suspicion. Thing is it was alawys some Americans, as not all Americans were or are bigoted.

                    Its up to guys like me and you to represent America as a country which rejects bigotry.
                    I am Irish as well, you are absolutely correct. The hysteria over Muslims and Hispanics is literally the same as the Irish in the past. People claimed that the Irish would turn America over to the Pope the same as today's Know Nothings claim that Sharia law will be imposed on us, or that Hispanics will destroy America. They were wrong then and they will be wrong again today.

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                    • #70
                      ChrisF1987vsaid: The US Constitution says that Muslims have a right to practice their faith freely the same as Christians, Jews, etc.
                      Yes; however, they are also required by law to place the American government before their religion, and this they do NOT do. That means they do not assimilate and become true Americans, and that is unacceptable.

                      Turn it around, go to Iran yourself and become an Iranian, and then insist on doing everything the way you did it in America. How long would they let you live?
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Yes; however, they are also required by law to place the American government before their religion, and this they do NOT do. That means they do not assimilate and become true Americans, and that is unacceptable.

                        Turn it around, go to Iran yourself and become an Iranian, and then insist on doing everything the way you did it in America. How long would they let you live?
                        They wouldn't kill him. they'd just hold him as a hostage and extort more money out of us...
                        Credo quia absurdum.


                        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Yes; however, they are also required by law to place the American government before their religion, and this they do NOT do. That means they do not assimilate and become true Americans, and that is unacceptable.

                          How about all the secular Muslims?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            Actually, if you look at the backgrounds of the leadership and upper echelon of these Islamic terrorist groups, they resemble other Leftist terrorist groups in composition.
                            That is, the leadership and most important "soldiers" in these groups are typically college educated (almost always at Leftist leaning Western universities) and have middle or upper middle class backgrounds.
                            They aren't "losers" and they do represent a big segment of the population they come from. What they don't have in common with them is they have been fed a continuous line of propaganda that they've come to believe that the only way they can effect change and bring people to their views is through violence. These are disaffected young men who feel and see a world where they are not fitting in and have no chance to change through the existing conduits of society. So, they lash out with violence trying to change the system.

                            Islam is the excuse for Muslims. Communism / Socialism was the excuse for the Red Brigades, Students for a Democratic Society (to include the Weathermen and Obama's neighbor and buddy William Ayres and his wife Bernadette Dorn), etc. They're all educated, disaffected reasonably well off members of society. And, they are all Terrorists.
                            Firstly, I have a difficult time measuring what you mean by left or right. As I do not believe their is a left or right. For those who do use terms like the left or the right...not everyone has the same view on what constitutes the left or the right.

                            I believe Bin laden received a college degree, as did the leader of ISIL.. But who else ?...and what does this matter?

                            As we know the Third Reich...which was far more powerful and perhaps just as bad as ISIL.. had college educated folks, and folks who dropped out of High school.
                            Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=jRDwlR4zbEM
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                            Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

                            George S Patton

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                            • #74
                              The apologists are out in force today!

                              It's a war, and islam needs to be temporarily stripped of it's status as a religion.

                              Americans in general shouldn't live in fear, the muslim population should. If you're a muslim in America, you should be scrutinized. Don't like it, too f***in' bad. Do something about the extremists among you.

                              I can't wait to read the excuses as to why these attacks happened. Will they be as creative as Orlando?

                              And why are some discussing the Irish or Italians of a hundred years ago? Please people, keep your eye on the ball. That BS doesn't fly.
                              ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                              BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                              BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                                Firstly, I have a difficult time measuring what you mean by left or right. As I do not believe their is a left or right. For those who do use terms like the left or the right...not everyone has the same view on what constitutes the left or the right.
                                Well, when you do figure it out get back to me...

                                I believe Bin laden received a college degree, as did the leader of ISIL.. But who else ?...and what does this matter?
                                We could start with almost all of the 9/11 terrorists either having one or in college getting one...
                                Most, if not all of the lieutenants of Bin Laden. Most of the senior ISIS leadership...

                                Why does this matter? Because after exposure to very Progressive and Leftist professors for years, they had an effect / affect on those people. They shaped some of their ideas and reasons for deciding to attack the West. After all, those same professors generally and vehemently attack Western culture and values.
                                When you are a student bombarded by that sort of thing, immersed in a culture that argues the West is a decadent, corrupt, and immoral culture when you combine that with very conservative Islam and those same professors saying Islam (and other non-Western values systems) are under attack, you get people that begin to think... "Maybe that guy's right. I should commit jihad as the Quran tells me to and defend my religion!" Next thing you know is you have a new terrorist.


                                As we know the Third Reich...which was far more powerful and perhaps just as bad as ISIL.. had college educated folks, and folks who dropped out of High school.
                                And were just as disaffected and propagandized by mentors that turned them into radicals. Hitler and his followers didn't wake up one morning and decide "Hey, let's become radicals and overthrow the German government!"

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