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  • #46
    Originally posted by Trung Si View Post
    Right now the authorities are looking for Ahmad Khan Rahami, a naturalized US citizen of Afghan descent in connection with the bombing in Manhattan on Saturday night, sending an unprecedented cellphone alert to millions of residents.
    In Custody after a shoot out.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/19...c-bombing.html

    Ahmad Khan Rahami, the man sought in connection with bombings in New York and New Jersey, was taken into custody after a shootout with police on Monday morning, multiple law enforcement sources confirmed to Fox News.
    An eyewitness to Rahami's capture in Linden, NJ said he saw a man walking down a street with a gun in his hand. A police car pulled up next to him and the man fired at the car 4-6 times. The shooter then began running down the street with several other police cars following him, the witness, Peter Bilinskas, told Fox News.

    One officer was reported to be shot during the encounter and another officer had a head injury, the Linden mayor's officer announced. The alleged shooter was also injured. Linden is about four miles from Elizabeth.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
      No place for you on the moral high ground my friend. You are one of those who sneered at those who flagged this risk. You should be apologising for being so wrong, not going on the attack.

      Now some police are going to have to risk their lives to go after this guy and you will have to take a share of the moral responsibility for that, having helped create the culture where such people were not flagged as a risk.
      Interestingly enough folks like Johns and myself would never back down against ISIL...we would destroy ISIL. You want to show strength not weakness. Its a strong thing to say that Jihad means to defeat ISIL, its a weak thing to claim that my country is under threat. After all we and the USSR and other allies of WW2 took on the greatest threat the world has ever and maybe will ever face which was the Third Reich. ISIL is like a t ball team...yes its right to call out ISIL and ISIL like groups as the enemy but I'm not afraid or worried about ISIL.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
        Gimme the fag man.
        You're completely borderline with this kind of post.
        So easy to take Johns for responsible cause he just wrote that we had to wait a bit before concluding something.

        Now , sure ,we can say in complete confidence that this was an Islamist attack and cool for you , it makes your day .
        There are two things guaranteed to happen after an Islamic attack in the West. One is that Muslims will position themselves as the victims, because of Syria, Iraq, racism, take your pick. The other is that the multicultural apologists will attempt to take the moral high ground by going on the attack, rather than admit how badly wrong they have called things and take a share of the moral responsibility.

        The same moral responsibility sits with you Seb. You are perhaps the strongest supporter of Muslim world immigration, the most dismissive of the risks and the most judgemental of those who raise them. It's a position you have a right to take but you can't then walk away from the moral responsibility when it goes wrong and people start getting killed.

        I call on you to publically apologise for just how badly you called it and the risks you have helped create. Heck even Merkle is starting to back track now.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
          And all those guys and groups are IMO weak people. Whats clear is that they are all small in #s and they are the losers of society and that includes the Jewish and Italian mafia people...they are losers and do not represent any sort of a majority of any segment of the human population in terms of race and religion.
          ^ this

          The reality is that most Muslims are good people. There are bad apples in every group. Should we deport all Italian Americans or place them into camps because of the Mafia? Should we deport all Mexicans because of drug cartels? Should all Irish be put into camps least they be a member of the IRA?

          Last but not least, for those who favor broad brush approaches:
          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
          The US Constitution says that Muslims have a right to practice their faith freely the same as Christians, Jews, etc.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
            And all those guys and groups are IMO weak people. Whats clear is that they are all small in #s and they are the losers of society and that includes the Jewish and Italian mafia people...they are losers and do not represent any sort of a majority of any segment of the human population in terms of race and religion.
            Unless they're Muslim. Then each and every Muslim, no matter how insignificant he is, speaks and acts on behalf of all Muslims.

            Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
            There are two things guaranteed to happen after an Islamic attack in the West. One is that Muslims will position themselves as the victims, because of Syria, Iraq, racism, take your pick. The other is that the multicultural apologists will attempt to take the moral high ground by going on the attack, rather than admit how badly wrong they have called things and take a share of the moral responsibility.

            The same moral responsibility sits with you Seb. You are perhaps the strongest supporter of Muslim world immigration, the most dismissive of the risks and the most judgemental of those who raise them. It's a position you have a right to take but you can't then walk away from the moral responsibility when it goes wrong and people start getting killed.

            I call on you to publically apologise for just how badly you called it and the risks you have helped create. Heck even Merkle is starting to back track now.
            So by your rationale every Irish Catholic is responsible for PIRA's acts, and every Ulster Protestant is responsible for UDF's acts.

            Which race bears responsibility for the murder of an elderly woman carrying her groceries? Or are you suggesting that such is a reasonable act: after all, she was a Muslim, and as you know "Muslim=terrorist, and terrorist=Muslim."
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            • #51
              Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
              Unless they're Muslim. Then each and every Muslim, no matter how insignificant he is, speaks and acts on behalf of all Muslims.



              So by your rationale every Irish Catholic is responsible for PIRA's acts, and every Ulster Protestant is responsible for UDF's acts.

              Which race bears responsibility for the murder of an elderly woman carrying her groceries? Or are you suggesting that such is a reasonable act: after all, she was a Muslim, and as you know "Muslim=terrorist, and terrorist=Muslim."
              Would you, perchance, be attempting to take the moral high ground?

              You create a false premise. It's not about all in the group being bad, it's about high risk cultures v the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal and so there is no need to take account of that risk. People make their choice, argue their case and take some responsibility for the culture they help create. It is a debate that features in the US election, so Americans will make their choice.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                Would you, perchance, be attempting to take the moral high ground?

                You create a false premise. It's not about all in the group being bad, it's about high risk cultures v the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal and so there is no need to take account of that risk. People make their choice, argue their case and take some responsibility for the culture they help create. It is a debate that features in the US election, so Americans will make their choice.
                Then by your rationale you, as a Briton, bear at least some measure of responsibility for every act committed by every contemporary Briton. Every Briton who beats a Sikh on the street, confusing him for a Muslim, is your responsibility, because you're telling us how how we have to take actions against "high risk cultures." You're equally responsible for any who heed your pablum about "high risk cultures." That old woman with the knife in her chest in Queens: you as good as put it there.

                Anyways, here's some background on the suspect now in custody.

                [Elizabeth NJ mayor] Mr. Bollwage, speaking at a news conference on Monday morning, described how the Rahami family had issues with the city in the past, mainly surrounding the operation of their family restaurant, First American Fried Chicken.

                Mr. Rahami’s father, Muhammad, opened the restaurant about a decade ago and employed his sons, the mayor said.

                It was open 24 hours a day, but neighbors complained about rowdy crowds that would gather at the place, often after midnight.

                Dean McDermott, who lives near the restaurant in Elizabeth, said he found patrons loitering in his yard and urinating in his driveway.

                Responding to the complaints, the City Council passed an ordinance that would force the restaurant to close late at night, the mayor said.

                “The City Council voted to shut it down at 10 p.m.,” he said. “They kept getting complaints from neighbors, it was a distress to people in the neighborhood.”

                The Rahamis did not comply, according to neighbors.

                On one occasion when the police came to force the restaurant to close, one of Mr. Rahami’s older brothers got in a fight with a police officer and was arrested. Before the case could be resolved, Mr. McDermott said, the son fled to his home country, Afghanistan.

                The mayor confirmed that the Rahami family sued the mayor, the City Council, some 20 police officers, claiming that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.

                “It was neighbor complaints, it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion,” the mayor said. “It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”

                A frequent patron of the restaurant, Ryan McCann, 33, said Ahmad Rahami was friendly and did not seem outwardly angry. Rather, Mr. McCann said, he was obsessed with fast cars, specifically Honda civics custom built to race.

                Mr. Rahami wore Western clothing, hung out on the sidewalk with friends and often slipped his regular customers free food, he said.

                “He’s a very friendly guy; he gave me free chicken,” Mr. McCann said. “He was always the most friendly man you ever met.”

                Mr. McCann said that the family lived in an apartment above the restaurant and that Mr. Rahami had been taking over more responsibility at the restaurant.

                “Lately, it was just the son, I haven’t seen the father in a while,” he said.

                To other customers, however, the Rahami family seemed reserved.

                “They seemed secretive, a little mysterious,” said Jessica Casanova, 23, a neighbor. “They’re too serious all the time.”

                Another neighbor, Joshua Sanchez, 24, was also struck by the familial insularity inside the chicken restaurant he referred to as “the shack.”

                “The dad and him would always be together at the shack, just them two, family business,” he said. “They never hired people, it was just the father and the son all the time.”

                "Ahmad Khan Rahami Is Arrested in Manhattan and New Jersey Bombings," by Marc Santora, William K Rashbaum and Al Baker, The New York Times, 19 Sep 2016
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                  There are two things guaranteed to happen after an Islamic attack in the West. One is that Muslims will position themselves as the victims, because of Syria, Iraq, racism, take your pick. The other is that the multicultural apologists will attempt to take the moral high ground by going on the attack, rather than admit how badly wrong they have called things and take a share of the moral responsibility.

                  The same moral responsibility sits with you Seb. You are perhaps the strongest supporter of Muslim world immigration, the most dismissive of the risks and the most judgemental of those who raise them. It's a position you have a right to take but you can't then walk away from the moral responsibility when it goes wrong and people start getting killed.

                  I call on you to publically apologise for just how badly you called it and the risks you have helped create. Heck even Merkle is starting to back track now.
                  And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                    And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
                    And it's only going to get worse after the past weekend

                    We have already had a number of very public hate crimes against Muslims here in the tri-state area over the past few weeks. I wish people would stop painting with a broad brush. Do we have a problem with Islamic fundamentalism? Heck yes, but the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists!

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                      And all those guys and groups are IMO weak people. Whats clear is that they are all small in #s and they are the losers of society and that includes the Jewish and Italian mafia people...they are losers and do not represent any sort of a majority of any segment of the human population in terms of race and religion.
                      STOP bring up Jews and now Italians every chance you get. That is trolling.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                        And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
                        I haven't charted anti-Muslim bias incidents, but they're definitely happening. And whose doing them? The ignorant, the uneducated, the cowardly. They assault old people, little children, they're so friggin' clueless that they'll go after Sikhs and Orthodox Christian clerics -- replete with big ass pectoral crosses -- believing them to be Muslims. And from what I can glean, guys like "Escape2Victory" have no problem with it. Somehow I suspect that they quietly approve of such actions.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                          Then by your rationale you, as a Briton, bear at least some measure of responsibility for every act committed by every contemporary Briton. Every Briton who beats a Sikh on the street, confusing him for a Muslim, is your responsibility, because you're telling us how how we have to take actions against "high risk cultures." You're equally responsible for any who heed your pablum about "high risk cultures." That old woman with the knife in her chest in Queens: you as good as put it there.
                          You forgot about him being responsible for all the Northern Irish thugs in the IRA and PVF. Talk about a "high risk culture"...

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                            You forgot about him being responsible for all the Northern Irish thugs in the IRA and PVF. Talk about a "high risk culture"...
                            He is also, as far as we know, male which makes him responsible for all those male sexual abusers and attackers. Except for people like him that is always totally different. Or that our nation has a history and culture of going around the world killing people then taking their land and resources - somehow I doubt he sees himself as part of a high risk group.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                              And it's only going to get worse after the past weekend

                              Heck yes, but the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists!

                              No one said they were .Only in your imagination .

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                                And all those guys and groups are IMO weak people. Whats clear is that they are all small in #s and they are the losers of society and that includes the Jewish and Italian mafia people...they are losers and do not represent any sort of a majority of any segment of the human population in terms of race and religion.
                                Actually, if you look at the backgrounds of the leadership and upper echelon of these Islamic terrorist groups, they resemble other Leftist terrorist groups in composition.
                                That is, the leadership and most important "soldiers" in these groups are typically college educated (almost always at Leftist leaning Western universities) and have middle or upper middle class backgrounds.
                                They aren't "losers" and they do represent a big segment of the population they come from. What they don't have in common with them is they have been fed a continuous line of propaganda that they've come to believe that the only way they can effect change and bring people to their views is through violence. These are disaffected young men who feel and see a world where they are not fitting in and have no chance to change through the existing conduits of society. So, they lash out with violence trying to change the system.

                                Islam is the excuse for Muslims. Communism / Socialism was the excuse for the Red Brigades, Students for a Democratic Society (to include the Weathermen and Obama's neighbor and buddy William Ayres and his wife Bernadette Dorn), etc. They're all educated, disaffected reasonably well off members of society. And, they are all Terrorists.

                                The reality is that most Muslims are good people. There are bad apples in every group. Should we deport all Italian Americans or place them into camps because of the Mafia? Should we deport all Mexicans because of drug cartels? Should all Irish be put into camps least they be a member of the IRA?
                                The Mafia are organized criminals, not terrorists. Their motivation isn't political, its economic. They want a pile of money and are willing to commit crimes to get it.
                                The drug cartels are also organized criminals. Same thing.
                                The IRA had a very specific target for their terrorism: Freeing Northern Ireland. They attacked targets in relationship to that objective.

                                Islamic terrorism today seeks to impose worldwide an Islamic state / caliphate on everyone. No nation is immune from their acts. Hence, this is a unique problem in terms of terrorism. Never before in history has a group of terrorists sought to attack targets anywhere on the planet, in any nation as part of their imposing their stated goals.

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