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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
    I haven't charted anti-Muslim bias incidents, but they're definitely happening. And whose doing them? The ignorant, the uneducated, the cowardly. They assault old people, little children, they're so friggin' clueless that they'll go after Sikhs and Orthodox Christian clerics -- replete with big ass pectoral crosses -- believing them to be Muslims. And from what I can glean, guys like "Escape2Victory" have no problem with it. Somehow I suspect that they quietly approve of such actions.

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  • Salinator
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    And all those guys and groups are IMO weak people. Whats clear is that they are all small in #s and they are the losers of society and that includes the Jewish and Italian mafia people...they are losers and do not represent any sort of a majority of any segment of the human population in terms of race and religion.
    STOP bring up Jews and now Italians every chance you get. That is trolling.

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  • ChrisF1987
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
    And it's only going to get worse after the past weekend

    We have already had a number of very public hate crimes against Muslims here in the tri-state area over the past few weeks. I wish people would stop painting with a broad brush. Do we have a problem with Islamic fundamentalism? Heck yes, but the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists!

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  • Delenda estRoma
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    There are two things guaranteed to happen after an Islamic attack in the West. One is that Muslims will position themselves as the victims, because of Syria, Iraq, racism, take your pick. The other is that the multicultural apologists will attempt to take the moral high ground by going on the attack, rather than admit how badly wrong they have called things and take a share of the moral responsibility.

    The same moral responsibility sits with you Seb. You are perhaps the strongest supporter of Muslim world immigration, the most dismissive of the risks and the most judgemental of those who raise them. It's a position you have a right to take but you can't then walk away from the moral responsibility when it goes wrong and people start getting killed.

    I call on you to publically apologise for just how badly you called it and the risks you have helped create. Heck even Merkle is starting to back track now.
    And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.

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  • slick_miester
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    Would you, perchance, be attempting to take the moral high ground?

    You create a false premise. It's not about all in the group being bad, it's about high risk cultures v the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal and so there is no need to take account of that risk. People make their choice, argue their case and take some responsibility for the culture they help create. It is a debate that features in the US election, so Americans will make their choice.
    Then by your rationale you, as a Briton, bear at least some measure of responsibility for every act committed by every contemporary Briton. Every Briton who beats a Sikh on the street, confusing him for a Muslim, is your responsibility, because you're telling us how how we have to take actions against "high risk cultures." You're equally responsible for any who heed your pablum about "high risk cultures." That old woman with the knife in her chest in Queens: you as good as put it there.

    Anyways, here's some background on the suspect now in custody.

    [Elizabeth NJ mayor] Mr. Bollwage, speaking at a news conference on Monday morning, described how the Rahami family had issues with the city in the past, mainly surrounding the operation of their family restaurant, First American Fried Chicken.

    Mr. Rahami’s father, Muhammad, opened the restaurant about a decade ago and employed his sons, the mayor said.

    It was open 24 hours a day, but neighbors complained about rowdy crowds that would gather at the place, often after midnight.

    Dean McDermott, who lives near the restaurant in Elizabeth, said he found patrons loitering in his yard and urinating in his driveway.

    Responding to the complaints, the City Council passed an ordinance that would force the restaurant to close late at night, the mayor said.

    “The City Council voted to shut it down at 10 p.m.,” he said. “They kept getting complaints from neighbors, it was a distress to people in the neighborhood.”

    The Rahamis did not comply, according to neighbors.

    On one occasion when the police came to force the restaurant to close, one of Mr. Rahami’s older brothers got in a fight with a police officer and was arrested. Before the case could be resolved, Mr. McDermott said, the son fled to his home country, Afghanistan.

    The mayor confirmed that the Rahami family sued the mayor, the City Council, some 20 police officers, claiming that he had been discriminated against because of his race and ethnicity.

    “It was neighbor complaints, it had nothing to do with his ethnicity or religion,” the mayor said. “It had to do with noise and people congregating on the streets.”

    A frequent patron of the restaurant, Ryan McCann, 33, said Ahmad Rahami was friendly and did not seem outwardly angry. Rather, Mr. McCann said, he was obsessed with fast cars, specifically Honda civics custom built to race.

    Mr. Rahami wore Western clothing, hung out on the sidewalk with friends and often slipped his regular customers free food, he said.

    “He’s a very friendly guy; he gave me free chicken,” Mr. McCann said. “He was always the most friendly man you ever met.”

    Mr. McCann said that the family lived in an apartment above the restaurant and that Mr. Rahami had been taking over more responsibility at the restaurant.

    “Lately, it was just the son, I haven’t seen the father in a while,” he said.

    To other customers, however, the Rahami family seemed reserved.

    “They seemed secretive, a little mysterious,” said Jessica Casanova, 23, a neighbor. “They’re too serious all the time.”

    Another neighbor, Joshua Sanchez, 24, was also struck by the familial insularity inside the chicken restaurant he referred to as “the shack.”

    “The dad and him would always be together at the shack, just them two, family business,” he said. “They never hired people, it was just the father and the son all the time.”

    "Ahmad Khan Rahami Is Arrested in Manhattan and New Jersey Bombings," by Marc Santora, William K Rashbaum and Al Baker, The New York Times, 19 Sep 2016

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