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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Yes; however, they are also required by law to place the American government before their religion, and this they do NOT do. That means they do not assimilate and become true Americans, and that is unacceptable.

    Turn it around, go to Iran yourself and become an Iranian, and then insist on doing everything the way you did it in America. How long would they let you live?
    They wouldn't kill him. they'd just hold him as a hostage and extort more money out of us...

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  • Mountain Man
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    ChrisF1987vsaid: The US Constitution says that Muslims have a right to practice their faith freely the same as Christians, Jews, etc.
    Yes; however, they are also required by law to place the American government before their religion, and this they do NOT do. That means they do not assimilate and become true Americans, and that is unacceptable.

    Turn it around, go to Iran yourself and become an Iranian, and then insist on doing everything the way you did it in America. How long would they let you live?

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  • ChrisF1987
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    I'm Irish myself, Italian as well

    Well....back in the 1880s-1910ss... some Americans viewed the non English speaking immigrant folks with suspicion. Its the same today, some Americans view Muslims(even American Muslims) with suspicion. Thing is it was alawys some Americans, as not all Americans were or are bigoted.

    Its up to guys like me and you to represent America as a country which rejects bigotry.
    I am Irish as well, you are absolutely correct. The hysteria over Muslims and Hispanics is literally the same as the Irish in the past. People claimed that the Irish would turn America over to the Pope the same as today's Know Nothings claim that Sharia law will be imposed on us, or that Hispanics will destroy America. They were wrong then and they will be wrong again today.

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  • asterix
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    A Euro politician rightly pointed out that those who argue against so called multiculturalism are arguing for a society that has never existed, or will never exist. Multiple cultures have existed in practically every empire, Kingdom, country...you name it.


    Key words in bold.....so between a society which has never existed...and one which will not work, where should we go?

    "MultiKultur" can only work under 2 circumstances:

    1 - it is accepted by the majority of the native population (i.e. - not forced as a vehicle of ideological goals) and...

    2 -the new culture cannot be introduced to the detriment of the existing one. There are risks and concerns, for political entities to dismiss these concerns with the usual retorts of "racism" and "fascism" is being intellectually dishonest, if not outright deceptive. Such retorts or accusations are no longer arguments.

    It seems the definition, or rather the criteria of the term "Melting Pot" changes according to whom one speaks to. The only thing certain is that no one seems to agree on what this is exactly.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    It is an interesting contrast how the two presidential candidates responded to this terrorist attack.

    Trump:

    ...the better approach would be to “knock the hell out of ‘em” and possibly introduce “racial profiling” as a counterterrorism tactic.

    “We have to lead for a change. Because we’re not knocking them, we’re hitting them once in awhile, we’re hitting them in certain places. We’re being very gentle about it. We’re going to have to be very tough,”
    And, Clinton:

    “This threat is real, but so is our resolve. Americans will not cower. We will prevail,” Clinton said. “We will defend our country, and we will defeat the evil, twisted ideology of the terrorists.”
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...Kz&ocid=SMSDHP

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  • Bwaha
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    Anti muslim hate crimes skyrocketing? Where? Not here in the states, I know of a mosque that got firebombed, but it wasn't occupied at the time. Maybe if you libbies took a serious look at the news you'd find that 99.9% of terrorist attacks in the states has one common factor. islam.

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  • Escape2Victory
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    Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
    And I call on you to apologize for rhetoric that has inflamed tensions so badly that anti Muslim and Arab hate crimes are skyrocketing. Because that's the same as trying to make Seb apologize for terrorism.
    This is simply more moral high ground posturing. This is the West the multiculturalist created and the moral responsibility rests with this group to devise a plan to get us out of this predicament, not start wailing and pointing the finger at others. Please turn your brain power to practical solutions.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
    Would you, perchance, be attempting to take the moral high ground?

    You create a false premise. It's not about all in the group being bad, it's about high risk cultures v the multicultural premise that all cultures are equal and so there is no need to take account of that risk. People make their choice, argue their case and take some responsibility for the culture they help create. It is a debate that features in the US election, so Americans will make their choice.
    A Euro politician rightly pointed out that those who argue against so called multiculturalism are arguing for a society that has never existed, or will never exist. Multiple cultures have existed in practically every empire, Kingdom, country...you name it.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
    ^ this

    The reality is that most Muslims are good people. There are bad apples in every group. Should we deport all Italian Americans or place them into camps because of the Mafia? Should we deport all Mexicans because of drug cartels? Should all Irish be put into camps least they be a member of the IRA?

    Last but not least, for those who favor broad brush approaches:

    The US Constitution says that Muslims have a right to practice their faith freely the same as Christians, Jews, etc.
    I'm Irish myself, Italian as well

    Well....back in the 1880s-1910ss... some Americans viewed the non English speaking immigrant folks with suspicion. Its the same today, some Americans view Muslims(even American Muslims) with suspicion. Thing is it was alawys some Americans, as not all Americans were or are bigoted.

    Its up to guys like me and you to represent America as a country which rejects bigotry.

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  • Martok
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Unless they're Muslim. Then each and every Muslim, no matter how insignificant he is, speaks and acts on behalf of all Muslims.
    The only people who make that claim are members of the liberal/progressive left charging someone else made that claim.

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    And all those guys and groups are IMO weak people. Whats clear is that they are all small in #s and they are the losers of society and that includes the Jewish and Italian mafia people...they are losers and do not represent any sort of a majority of any segment of the human population in terms of race and religion.
    Actually, if you look at the backgrounds of the leadership and upper echelon of these Islamic terrorist groups, they resemble other Leftist terrorist groups in composition.
    That is, the leadership and most important "soldiers" in these groups are typically college educated (almost always at Leftist leaning Western universities) and have middle or upper middle class backgrounds.
    They aren't "losers" and they do represent a big segment of the population they come from. What they don't have in common with them is they have been fed a continuous line of propaganda that they've come to believe that the only way they can effect change and bring people to their views is through violence. These are disaffected young men who feel and see a world where they are not fitting in and have no chance to change through the existing conduits of society. So, they lash out with violence trying to change the system.

    Islam is the excuse for Muslims. Communism / Socialism was the excuse for the Red Brigades, Students for a Democratic Society (to include the Weathermen and Obama's neighbor and buddy William Ayres and his wife Bernadette Dorn), etc. They're all educated, disaffected reasonably well off members of society. And, they are all Terrorists.

    The reality is that most Muslims are good people. There are bad apples in every group. Should we deport all Italian Americans or place them into camps because of the Mafia? Should we deport all Mexicans because of drug cartels? Should all Irish be put into camps least they be a member of the IRA?
    The Mafia are organized criminals, not terrorists. Their motivation isn't political, its economic. They want a pile of money and are willing to commit crimes to get it.
    The drug cartels are also organized criminals. Same thing.
    The IRA had a very specific target for their terrorism: Freeing Northern Ireland. They attacked targets in relationship to that objective.

    Islamic terrorism today seeks to impose worldwide an Islamic state / caliphate on everyone. No nation is immune from their acts. Hence, this is a unique problem in terms of terrorism. Never before in history has a group of terrorists sought to attack targets anywhere on the planet, in any nation as part of their imposing their stated goals.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
    And it's only going to get worse after the past weekend

    Heck yes, but the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists!

    No one said they were .Only in your imagination .

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by johns624 View Post
    You forgot about him being responsible for all the Northern Irish thugs in the IRA and PVF. Talk about a "high risk culture"...
    He is also, as far as we know, male which makes him responsible for all those male sexual abusers and attackers. Except for people like him that is always totally different. Or that our nation has a history and culture of going around the world killing people then taking their land and resources - somehow I doubt he sees himself as part of a high risk group.
    Last edited by Sergio; 19 Sep 16, 12:32.

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  • johns624
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    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Then by your rationale you, as a Briton, bear at least some measure of responsibility for every act committed by every contemporary Briton. Every Briton who beats a Sikh on the street, confusing him for a Muslim, is your responsibility, because you're telling us how how we have to take actions against "high risk cultures." You're equally responsible for any who heed your pablum about "high risk cultures." That old woman with the knife in her chest in Queens: you as good as put it there.
    You forgot about him being responsible for all the Northern Irish thugs in the IRA and PVF. Talk about a "high risk culture"...

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