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  • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
    Then why were they excluded?



    I live within walking distance of many thousands of Muslims, from a wide variety of countries. The overwhelming majority of them do nothing more offensive than bad driving and BO. Some minute share of Muslims commit acts of terror. That's a fact. It's also a fact that they represent only a tiny share of Muslims as a whole. Just like all Canadians are not hockey players, not all Muslims are terrorists. Indeed, some are fighting the terrorists tooth and nail. So before we hit the panic button and start excluding Muslims the way we did Chinese, I'd think it would behoove us to try to find out who our allies are, who our enemies are, and how to undermine those who'd seek to do us harm, while not hampering those who just want to lead normal lives.

    The operative word here should not be Muslim, but terrorist. Somehow, however, after listening to all the Archie Bunkers here, I'm led to believe that injuring Muslims is more important, and more desirable, than effectively combating and hampering terrorists. Say what you want about Muslim, but terrorist is decidedly a matter of choice, and a matter of action. Those actually involved with crime and violence should be far higher priorities than some schmuck dressed like a tent.

    Unless, of course, you're suggesting that dressing like a tent should now be classified as a crime.
    Do you think it possible to be anti-Islam (Dogma and Scriptures) without being anti-Muslim?

    I ask because it seems many confuse this distinction and think once someone is opposed to Islam the Theology, Dogma and Scripture, they are opposed to ALL Muslims. Many Muslims here in the West tend to be MINOs (Muslim In Name Only), but still they and others retain enough of their religion and culture to be in conflict with the foundations of our secular nation. Consider this excerpt and the linked article;
    ...
    Instead, Mr. Khan insisted: "One of the lessons from around the world is that a laissez-faire or hands-off approach to social integration doesn't work. We need rules, institutions, and support to enable people to integrate into cohesive communities and for the avoidance of doubt, I don't mean assimilation, I mean integration, and there's a difference."

    He added: "People shouldn't have to drop their cultures and traditions when they arrive in our cities and countries."

    The United Kingdom, and especially areas of East London which overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Khan, is currently suffering from Muslim ghettoisation, horrific employment rates for Muslim women, an internal debate surrounding the banning of the burka, and ongoing issues such as female genital mutilation, anti-Semitism, and homophobia within Muslim communities.

    Under Mr. Khan's plans, none of these "cultures and traditions" would need to be dropped for Muslim migrants to Western countries.
    ....
    http://www.meforum.org/blog/2016/09/...dnt-assimilate

    I'm breaking this out into a couple of posts ...
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
    “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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    • I favor a more selective questioning process for future Muslim immigrants. Terrorism is a tactic/technique, a method of violence. The term is mistakenly applied to cover those whom use terrorism as a method to achieve their linked political-religious agenda; Islamic Jihad. So we should find ways to separate them from those whom are "Muslim", but might really be MINOs and/or wanting to come to the West to get away from the extremes of the fundamentalist Muslims and their Sharia based Islamic societies.

      [Finding Moderate Muslims:] Do you believe in modernity?
      http://www.danielpipes.org/1322/find...e-in-modernity

      Finding Moderate Muslims - More Questions
      http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...more-questions

      More cost effective to "treat" refugees abroad, not haul them here. We should only bring over those whom would rather provide allegiance to our nation and it's laws and principles rather than their religion, who fully understand and embrace what it will mean to become a citizen in the future.
      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
      “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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      • Here is an example of why one needs to distinguish the nuances of Dogma and Scripture when dealing with religions, or ideologies in general, with or without "deities" attached.

        There is a Catch 22 here in that what was said to Muhammad by Allah can't be changed and the last of the revelations is very anti non-Muslim. The Koran is not arranged in order of revelation, but roughly longest to shortest of the chapters/Surah. Any later revelation that contradicts an earlier one is the one that was to apply, abrogation. Here's a link to the chronological order of the Koran;
        http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronologi...f_the_Qur%27an

        Some of the relating passages of the Koran, addressing the mandate of (physical)Jihad(Holy War) and rewards for engaging in such, etc.;

        [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
        [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
        [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
        [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
        [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
        [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
        [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
        [8.38] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
        [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
        [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
        [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
        [9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
        [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.
        [33.27] And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
        [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
        [47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
        [47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
        http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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        • I just whish that we could stay on topic her on ACG and not go in to the weeds on every thread, but I think it's too much to ask for.
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          • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
            Then why were they excluded?
            Um..........it was because they worked for low wages and did jobs Americans did not want to do. Nothing racist there. Racism came later in the form of Emergency Quota Act of 1921 and Immigration Act of 1924.
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            • Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
              . Because the multiculturalist is failing in this responsibility, you are now spawning far right movements across the West. .
              Me?
              By writing daft posts on a forum?
              Frenchie power rocks man !
              And btw,your lessons in life coming from a citizen whose frontiers are on my country , are much appreciated .
              Sleep well senor while we are trying to deal with the 10 000 migrants who want to invade your Holly soil.
              That rug really tied the room together

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              • Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
                Me?
                By writing daft posts on a forum?
                Frenchie power rocks man !
                And btw,your lessons in life coming from a citizen whose frontiers are on my country , are much appreciated .
                Sleep well senor while we are trying to deal with the 10 000 migrants who want to invade your Holly soil.
                It's your problem to deal with, Seb. You let them in....
                ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                • Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                  I get what you're saying: Irish terrorists = good, Muslim terrorist = bad. Guess the differentiation is in their melanin content.
                  Not at all. Terrorists are terrorists. It's just your comparison that fails. It has nothing to do with the political ideology of islam. And you do realize that muslims come in every color, don't you?

                  And you've not answered my question: why the condemnation for Muslims when the same acts from Irishmen merit nary a comment from you? Shall I guess?
                  Are the Irish at war with everyone who isn't them? Does Irish terrorism plague the world?

                  It's 2016, not the troubles. Same goes with your bringing the Chinese into this discussion of current events. You're way off topic.
                  ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                  BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                  BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                  • Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
                    I don't think it's racism per se, rather many people are just frightened of the unknown, and of things that are not familiar to them. Many people 'over yonder', well ... they live in very homogeneous small towns and they don't have much if any contact with ethnic minorities so all they know about Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, etc is what they see on the internet.

                    This resentment is natural, eventually we'll all learn to live side by side in peace. How long will it take? Who knows, but I am confident of it. I think we as a society has made enormous strides since the Civil Rights movement and we can only go forward from here.
                    Frightened of the unknown? Seriously?

                    And you think I live "over yonder"?

                    It seems it's you that lives in the insulated world. Guess what, Star Trek is just a TV show. We don't love each other and we won't anytime soon.
                    ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                    BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                    BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                    • Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post

                      Best post in the thread, but you forgot to add a or risk being taken perfectly seriously by the Left.
                      Too late. Just look at JJ's mind numbing post that immediately followed yours.
                      ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                      BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                      BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                      • Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                        Actually I have watched my biases as an adult. I have known many minorities and a few Muslims over the years. I treated them all as individuals. I think this definitely places me in the minority here in the South. There are many contradictions in what other regions perceive of the South.
                        Just to set the record straight, there are no shortage of crass and nasty bigots north of the Mason-Dixon line, as well. Lord knows we have plenty, enough to spare.

                        What made the Southern experience . . . . unique was the fact that the racism was codified, institutionalized, and then regularly acted upon, with extreme violence. The kind of violence seen in the Emmett Till and Birmingham's 16th Street Church cases was tolerated up North not because Northerners were incapable of such violence, but only because they were intolerant of it: they didn't have the stomach for it, especially in their own towns. Down South, even those who weren't dyed-in-the-wool racists tolerated it.

                        After listening to some of the anti-Muslim screeds here, I fear that I'm hearing a call to return to something akin to Jim Crow. After a couple of street crimes against elderly Bangladeshis up here recently, I know full well of what my neighbors are capable. Thankfully the police arrested the perps right away. Were it up to the Trump crowd, the perps would give interviews after their acquittal, like Emmett Till's murderers.

                        As far as I'm concerned, the murderers of the Bangladeshis here, and the murderers of Emmett Till down there, are every bit the terrorists that al Qaeda and ISIS are. Their motives are little more than pretext. It's their violence that's real: it's the true fruit by which they are known. (Matthew 7:20)
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                        • Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                          It's your problem to deal with, Seb. You let them in....
                          Sorry Sir.
                          WE let them in , GB included.
                          That rug really tied the room together

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                          • A bunch of misfits staring from Calais across the channel at the clips Dover is cultural heritage dating back to the Roman times

                            We should ask UNESCO for subsidies, and dress them up in historical uniforms.

                            They can re-enact Caesar, the Saxons, the Normans, The Glorious Invasion, Napoleon, The Nazis and what not.

                            Sometimes they'll be lucky and make it across - sometimes not.
                            Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                            Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                            • Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                              Where did I ever help create this mess? You're reaching, and your arms aren't long enough...
                              Because you are a bog standard multiculturalist. This group advocate that all cultures are equal, and in particular this means Islamic culture poses no special risk and that immigration from this group is no different to any other. Likewise that America's Muslim community poses no special risk, in fact you have been a staunch defender and have sought to dismiss the risk they pose, as a good multiculturalist would.

                              And so you carry not a criminal responsibility but a moral responsibility. Why? Because you help create the culture in which the risks are diminished and people fear to raise them for being cast a racist. Obviously it is not ALL your fault, you come together with like minded individuals and create the culture collectively.

                              So now American Muslims have started killing people, what are you going to do about it? If the answer is 'nothing', you must look on Trump in the US, Le Pen in France and AfD in Germany and accept you helped create them.
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                              • Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                                Originally posted by johns624 View Post
                                Where did I ever help create this mess? You're reaching, and your arms aren't long enough...
                                Because you are a bog standard multiculturalist.
                                You're responsible, 'cause you're a bog standard hypocrite. You denounce Muslims for using random violence as a means of effecting political expression, yet you ignore the Irish, the Spanish, the Greeks, the Greens, the Leftists, the Rightists, et al, who've done the same thing. You're a hypocrite because you absolutely refuse to address the value that immigrants can provide to an economy and a society. And you're a bog standard hypocrite because you carefully skirt around the fact that you're a bog standard bigot.
                                I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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