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  • #16
    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    No I didn't I meant what I said - I suspect that Afro American voters have more intelligence than to be taken in by the same old lies. Bitter experience usually gets through to people eventually

    Why are they any smarter than the rest of us?
    Conservative voters keep being taken in by republican politicians who are anything but conservative when it comes to spending.

    In Chicago democratic politicians keep blaming the increase in shootings on guns while pretending it isn't gangs. Blacks are dying and being shot in the inner city but their leaders are more interested in using the problem to pursue a political goal rather than doing anything that might protect African American voters.
    I would submit they are still being taken in by the same lies, just as the rest of us are.
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    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
      very true.
      The fact is that regardless of skin color, after 45 years of welfare programs there are families that have relied on welfare for 3 sometimes 5 generations.
      Entire sections of cities in which to main source of support, financial, housing, medical care, food and clothing are supplied by federal and state welfare systems.
      Not only the families, but the businesses in those areas depend on welfare money, the rentals are subsidized by federal and state funds. School districts that no longer depend on tradition local tax bases but on federal funding that is tied to the number of children whose parents are on welfare.
      When the only way of family life for 40 years, housing, food, clothing comes from a system of dependency that requires the individual to relinquish their future to a bearucracy, and that bearucracy also depends on expansion, it become a political force, much like a wild fire that creates its own weather system.
      As I understand it, the Democrats are more likely to assist in providing a welfare safety-net than the Republicans, who are committed to smaller government and more "self-reliance".

      Why then, should anybody having the misfortune to be dependent on that welfare come to support Trump's GOP who, ideologically, would be less likely to be sympathetic ?
      "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
      Samuel Johnson.

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      • #18
        When only vague but catchy soundbites, bombast and outright deception are offered instead of specific policy statements, "What have you got to lose?" is the one and only argument in favour of Trump. Not just for black voters but anyone considering voting for him and concerned about any issue.

        The is the question is as unanswerable as "What do you have got to gain?"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post
          ...
          Why then, should anybody having the misfortune to be dependent on that welfare come to support Trump's GOP who, ideologically, would be less likely to be sympathetic ?
          Maybe they dream of something better.

          Maybe they would like their kids to do better than they ever did, something more than Government Cheese and a grimy little Section 8 Apartment where the Roaches are so big that they drown out the TV when you step on one.
          Maybe they know that having 1/4 of American families lacking even one man employed is not only bad, but unsustainable.

          Maybe THEY believe that they CAN do better than that. And maybe, just maybe, they are tired of the Left telling them they can't or that whitey is holding them back and they never had a fair shot anyway.... never, despite 50 years of quotas and aid and all the ballyhoo about education and everything else that employed millions of bureaucrats and yet poverty is just as bad as ever if not worse.

          Don't you think that they are smart enough to have noticed all that?
          "Why is the Rum gone?"

          -Captain Jack

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
            No I didn't I meant what I said - I suspect that Afro American voters have more intelligence than to be taken in by the same old lies. Bitter experience usually gets through to people eventually
            Unfortunately, your surmise does not agree with recorded voter patterns in that group. Historically, the same voting blocs believe the same old idiocy as the last time and vote with the same uncaring apathy that they did previously as well.

            When they don't, disasters happen, as witness the catastrophe of voting for a black president solely because of his race, a fatal mistake made by a large number of otherwise intelligent blacks who fail to note that there were no indicators of competency or skills in Obama.

            Truth is in America, all of the politicians say pretty much the same kind of things - whatever they think will sound best to the voters irregardless of truth, lack of intelligent content or rationality...and it works every time.

            The largest black voting block - welfare and assistance recipients - will vote for which ever party guarantees the continuation of their free ride, period, and since Hilary is a Dumbocrat, and the Dumbocrats are the creators of and staunch supporters of the welfare programs throughout America, that's how they will vote. They are unlikely to vote for Trump simply because he might tighten up the strings on the Great Handout, even though many might privately agree with TRump's feelings on the unworkablitility of our government.

            It's all bread and circuses, Mark, just as it always has been since FDR died.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
              Maybe they dream of something better.

              Maybe they would like their kids to do better than they ever did, something more than Government Cheese and a grimy little Section 8 Apartment where the Roaches are so big that they drown out the TV when you step on one.
              Maybe they know that having 1/4 of American families lacking even one man employed is not only bad, but unsustainable.

              Maybe THEY believe that they CAN do better than that. And maybe, just maybe, they are tired of the Left telling them they can't or that whitey is holding them back and they never had a fair shot anyway.... never, despite 50 years of quotas and aid and all the ballyhoo about education and everything else that employed millions of bureaucrats and yet poverty is just as bad as ever if not worse.

              Don't you think that they are smart enough to have noticed all that?
              Noticed? Maybe. Do anything about it that requires hard work, initiative and self-sacrifice? Not a chance. Not when welfare pays better than minimum wage.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
                Maybe they dream of something better.

                Maybe they would like their kids to do better than they ever did, something more than Government Cheese and a grimy little Section 8 Apartment where the Roaches are so big that they drown out the TV when you step on one.
                Maybe they know that having 1/4 of American families lacking even one man employed is not only bad, but unsustainable.

                Maybe THEY believe that they CAN do better than that. And maybe, just maybe, they are tired of the Left telling them they can't or that whitey is holding them back and they never had a fair shot anyway.... never, despite 50 years of quotas and aid and all the ballyhoo about education and everything else that employed millions of bureaucrats and yet poverty is just as bad as ever if not worse.

                Don't you think that they are smart enough to have noticed all that?
                I'm sure they do.
                Can Mr Trump and his Republicans assist ?
                "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                Samuel Johnson.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                  No I didn't I meant what I said - I suspect that Afro American voters have more intelligence than to be taken in by the same old lies. Bitter experience usually gets through to people eventually
                  I wish this were true. But as others have stated, they'll vote for whoever they think will keep the checks rolling.

                  Of course, the checks will keep coming no matter who is elected. But the perception is that the Democrats are the ones to keep it happening.

                  With Obama, they voted for the man that looks like them. Everywhere you went in NJ during his first election, t shirts were worn portraying Obama as a Messiah figure. He was "bigger than Jesus".
                  ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                  BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                  BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BELGRAVE View Post
                    As I understand it, the Democrats are more likely to assist in providing a welfare safety-net than the Republicans, who are committed to smaller government and more "self-reliance".

                    Why then, should anybody having the misfortune to be dependent on that welfare come to support Trump's GOP who, ideologically, would be less likely to be sympathetic ?
                    That is the misconception, the welfare programs are here to stay, btw, Richard Nixon signed into law the food stamp program. Once these beauracries are entrenched they will not go away.
                    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                    • #25
                      According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the [food stamps] program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

                      Total number of Americans on welfare 110,489,000
                      Total number of Americans on food stamps 41,700,000
                      Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 10,200,000
                      Percent of the US population on welfare 35.4 %
                      Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131,900,000,000
                      Welfare Demographics
                      Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
                      Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
                      Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
                      Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
                      Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %

                      Food stamp participation rates
                      1 Mississippi 20.8 %
                      2 Tennessee 19.9 %
                      2 Oregon 19.9 %
                      4 New Mexico 19.8 %
                      5 Michigan 19.5 %
                      6 Louisiana 19.3 %
                      7 Alabama 19.1 %
                      8 Kentucky 18.8 %
                      9 West Virginia 18.5 %
                      9 Maine 18.5 %
                      11 Georgia 18.1 %
                      12 South Carolina 18 %
                      13 Arkansas 16.5 %
                      14 Arizona 16.4 %
                      15 Florida 16.1 %
                      15 Oklahoma 16.1 %
                      17 Missouri 15.6 %
                      18 Texas 15.4 % Hurrah for self-reliant Texans!
                      19 Washington 15.5 %
                      20 New York 15.4 % Boo for those mooching New Yorkers!
                      21 Rhode Island 15.2 %
                      22 Delaware 14.7 %
                      23 Vermont 14.6 %
                      24 Idaho 14.3 %
                      25 Wisconsin 14 %
                      26 Illinois 13.9 %
                      26 Ohio 13.9 %
                      26 North Carolina 13.9 %
                      29 Pennsylvania 13.4 %
                      29 Indiana 13.4 %
                      31 South Dakota 12.4 %
                      31 Montana 12.4 %
                      33 Massachusetts 12.3 %
                      34 Nevada 12.1 %
                      34 Iowa 12.1 %
                      36 Alaska 11.9 %
                      37 Hawaii 11.5 %
                      38 Maryland 11.4 %
                      39 Virginia 10.5 %
                      39 Connecticut 10.5 %
                      41 Kansas 10.3 %
                      42 Utah 10 %
                      43 California 9.7 %
                      44 Nebraska 9.4 %
                      45 Minnesota 9.4 %
                      45 Colorado 8.8 %
                      47 North Dakota 8.7 %
                      48 New Jersey 8.6 %
                      49 New Hampshire 8.5 %
                      50 Wyoming 6.3 %

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by mconrad View Post
                        According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the [food stamps] program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

                        Total number of Americans on welfare 110,489,000
                        Total number of Americans on food stamps 41,700,000
                        Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 10,200,000
                        Percent of the US population on welfare 35.4 %
                        Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131,900,000,000
                        Welfare Demographics
                        Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
                        Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
                        Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
                        Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
                        Percent of recipients who are Other 3.3 %

                        Food stamp participation rates
                        1 Mississippi 20.8 %
                        2 Tennessee 19.9 %
                        2 Oregon 19.9 %
                        4 New Mexico 19.8 %
                        5 Michigan 19.5 %
                        6 Louisiana 19.3 %
                        7 Alabama 19.1 %
                        8 Kentucky 18.8 %
                        9 West Virginia 18.5 %
                        9 Maine 18.5 %
                        11 Georgia 18.1 %
                        12 South Carolina 18 %
                        13 Arkansas 16.5 %
                        14 Arizona 16.4 %
                        15 Florida 16.1 %
                        15 Oklahoma 16.1 %
                        17 Missouri 15.6 %
                        18 Texas 15.4 % Hurrah for self-reliant Texans!
                        19 Washington 15.5 %
                        20 New York 15.4 % Boo for those mooching New Yorkers!
                        21 Rhode Island 15.2 %
                        22 Delaware 14.7 %
                        23 Vermont 14.6 %
                        24 Idaho 14.3 %
                        25 Wisconsin 14 %
                        26 Illinois 13.9 %
                        26 Ohio 13.9 %
                        26 North Carolina 13.9 %
                        29 Pennsylvania 13.4 %
                        29 Indiana 13.4 %
                        31 South Dakota 12.4 %
                        31 Montana 12.4 %
                        33 Massachusetts 12.3 %
                        34 Nevada 12.1 %
                        34 Iowa 12.1 %
                        36 Alaska 11.9 %
                        37 Hawaii 11.5 %
                        38 Maryland 11.4 %
                        39 Virginia 10.5 %
                        39 Connecticut 10.5 %
                        41 Kansas 10.3 %
                        42 Utah 10 %
                        43 California 9.7 %
                        44 Nebraska 9.4 %
                        45 Minnesota 9.4 %
                        45 Colorado 8.8 %
                        47 North Dakota 8.7 %
                        48 New Jersey 8.6 %
                        49 New Hampshire 8.5 %
                        50 Wyoming 6.3 %
                        That is part of the equation, now look up how many social workers, administrators and IT people are employed by the various health and welfare agencies at the state and federal level.
                        Then check out how many housing projects are operated through grants or direct ownership of the low income housing programs.
                        Then find out how many construction and property management companies depend on contracts to build and manage housing projects.
                        Then find out how many large and small businesses depend on customers who are on food stamp programs.
                        How many universes turn out graduates with degrees in Social Services every year and need jobs to repay the federally guaranteed student loans....
                        Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                        Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                        • #27
                          you guys know these statements he is making is just to provide political cover for people who might be concerned about some of is more insensitive statements.

                          See he cares about blacks he been talking about how he might be better for them.

                          If he was truly believed what he is saying he might want to do it somewhere a few more blacks might here what he says.

                          Granted republicans never do well with the black vote but Trump is performing way below average. if you exclude the Obama elections

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by craven View Post
                            you guys know these statements he is making is just to provide political cover for people who might be concerned about some of is more insensitive statements.

                            See he cares about blacks he been talking about how he might be better for them.

                            If he was truly believed what he is saying he might want to do it somewhere a few more blacks might here what he says.

                            Granted republicans never do well with the black vote but Trump is performing way below average. if you exclude the Obama elections
                            Actually, the GOP carried most of the Black vote from post ACW up until about 1965, or shortly there after. "Great Society"

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              Actually, the GOP carried most of the Black vote from post ACW up until about 1965, or shortly there after. "Great Society"
                              I should of qualified it with modern election

                              but yeah I am not old enough to know what caused it or of seen the change. It was pre eighties though I think I started voting in 85

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                              • #30
                                Frankly, I don’t think a lot of black people vote in extreme poverty stricken areas. In the Ferguson community prior to the Michael Brown shooting, the town was run by white people voted in by the few white people of the community. Most black people did not vote. Only after all of the hullabaloo died down and the next election come around did the black community turn out and vote for folks of their own race.

                                They now have a majority black town council and they now have a black chief of police. I have seen him speak a time or two on TV since he was hired and he does seem to have a few more brains than the white cretin who was chief at the time of the shooting. I think they could blame 90% of Ferguson’s problems at that time on that idiot of a police chief.

                                http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...225-story.html
                                Homo homini lupus

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