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  • Will the Economy save Trump?

    He'd better not be planning on it. Despite the slow growth of economy July still produced 250K private sector jobs. Compare this to the 2008 election. From Dec 2007 to July 2008 the economy was hemorrhaging 200,000+ jobs per month. Those figures are from the BLS survey of businesses not the polling of people that determines unemployment.

    This is before the crisis that started in September. So unless something really, really drastic happens Trump had better not be counting on the Economy to boost him up.
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

  • #2
    Why must this be about Trump


    #Trumptrumpsall
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    • #3
      Originally posted by andrewza View Post
      Why must this be about Trump


      #Trumptrumpsall
      Um... Trump appears to be in the rear position in the race. In order to make a big jump back up into a competitive position he needs something to 'happen'. In 08 besides the general war-weariness in the voting population that made Sen McCain's race and uphill battle the economy was bleeding jobs like crazy, dooming him no matter what. So pointing out the current Job creation figures gives us insight into whether something like that is hanging in the background for Trump. So it makes sense to have the tread about him.
      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
      “To talk of many things:
      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
      Of cabbages—and kings—
      And why the sea is boiling hot—
      And whether pigs have wings.”
      ― Lewis Carroll

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      • #4
        I don't know what it is like in other places, but we are down to 3.3% unemployment in St. Charles Co., MO. I think St Louis is 4.5 or somewhere in the 4 percents.

        There are Help Wanted signs up everywhere out here in St. Charles County. Most of them are for little ikky part time jobs; I guess they are having a hard time filling them.

        Prices are on the rise also with the good times. Don't like that.
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        • #5
          Given the incompetence of the Obama administration it could be:

          Iran
          The economy
          ISIS and terrorism
          South China Sea issue
          Russia getting frisky
          Another round of race riots

          Among other things.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jannie View Post
            I don't know what it is like in other places, but we are down to 3.3% unemployment in St. Charles Co., MO. I think St Louis is 4.5 or somewhere in the 4 percents.

            There are Help Wanted signs up everywhere out here in St. Charles County. Most of them are for little ikky part time jobs; I guess they are having a hard time filling them.

            Prices are on the rise also with the good times. Don't like that.
            That's because the U30 used to quote the unemployment rate is all but a lie. The Employment rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years. Real unemployment is closer to 20%+.
            Look at disability filings. Way up. That's people trying to get something when they can't get a job.
            Part time employment is way up.

            On the whole the economy sucks. Drive around the town or city you live in. How many shopping centers, commercial buildings, and such stand empty or nearly empty? That's a better indicator of local employment conditions than the babble coming out of the White House.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
              That's because the U30 used to quote the unemployment rate is all but a lie. The Employment rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years. Real unemployment is closer to 20%+.
              Look at disability filings. Way up. That's people trying to get something when they can't get a job.
              Part time employment is way up.

              On the whole the economy sucks. Drive around the town or city you live in. How many shopping centers, commercial buildings, and such stand empty or nearly empty? That's a better indicator of local employment conditions than the babble coming out of the White House.
              Funny, no ONE ever wanted to use U6 until a Dem got in, tell me why that is??? By the way try looking at where U6 is and it's decline. You're way beyond date on it.

              Your wrong on Part time also.
              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
              “To talk of many things:
              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
              Of cabbages—and kings—
              And why the sea is boiling hot—
              And whether pigs have wings.”
              ― Lewis Carroll

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                That's because the U30 used to quote the unemployment rate is all but a lie. The Employment rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years. Real unemployment is closer to 20%+.
                Look at disability filings. Way up. That's people trying to get something when they can't get a job.
                Part time employment is way up.

                On the whole the economy sucks. Drive around the town or city you live in. How many shopping centers, commercial buildings, and such stand empty or nearly empty? That's a better indicator of local employment conditions than the babble coming out of the White House.
                Pisst.... your off by a factor of 2X even on your 'REAL' unemployment rate. Oops.......
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                  Pisst.... your off by a factor of 2X even on your 'REAL' unemployment rate. Oops.......
                  And, you'd be wrong. The U30, cited by the White House only measures the number of people actively looking for work and not having a job in the last 30 days. There's a U60 and 90 too.
                  None of these track people who have stopped looking for work but are potentially employable. That's the employment rate.



                  It's fallen to about 55 to 60% of the employable population. The U30 doesn't measure people that are chronically, long term unemployed and have stopped looking for work.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    And, you'd be wrong. The U30, cited by the White House only measures the number of people actively looking for work and not having a job in the last 30 days. There's a U60 and 90 too.
                    None of these track people who have stopped looking for work but are potentially employable. That's the employment rate.


                    It's fallen to about 55 to 60% of the employable population.
                    Try using the actual data, not some market ticker. By the way it's U3 and U6 not 30 and 60. Oh there is no 90 or 9. Your making up stuff.

                    Plus your graph has nothing to do with EITHER of those. Here I'll give you some help. Also it has no data for now at all, it's 6 years out of date

                    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

                    U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force
                    = 10.1 Un-seasonally adjusted and 9.7 seasonally adjusted.

                    See your off by a factor of 2x.
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      And, you'd be wrong. The U30, cited by the White House only measures the number of people actively looking for work and not having a job in the last 30 days. There's a U60 and 90 too.
                      None of these track people who have stopped looking for work but are potentially employable. That's the employment rate.

                      It's fallen to about 55 to 60% of the employable population. The U30 doesn't measure people that are chronically, long term unemployed and have stopped looking for work.
                      U3 is used by everyone because it is the ONLY way to compare to other periods before early 1990's. because 4-6 did NOT exist back then. In other words U3 has been the standard the US has used since it STARTED tracking employment and unemployment data, from the beginning.

                      So, no it's not a 'White House' number, it's the Standard number for almost a 100 years.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • #12
                        Maobama is the first president to have 0 years of >3% growth. He achieved this ignoble accomplishment in his first term and then doubled down.. Her Hagness is running for Maobama's third term.

                        The stagnant economy works to The Donald's advantage... but it isn't a "game changer" on its own. If it was, Mitt Romney would be running for reelection.
                        Last edited by The Doctor; 05 Aug 16, 16:52.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                          Maobama is the first two-term president to have 0 years of >3% growth. He's achieved this ignoble accomplishment in his first term. Her Hagness is running for Maobama's third term.

                          The stagnant economy works to The Donald's advantage... but it isn't a "game changer" on its own.








                          So 7 years of job growth, those are direct jobs added by private companies so please don't paste something on participation rate.

                          As the thread topic states, Trump needs a economic disaster to help him. It isn't coming. It was here in 08, way before the Sept 'emergency' and had been here for 6-8 months. Not happening this time.
                          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                          “To talk of many things:
                          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                          Of cabbages—and kings—
                          And why the sea is boiling hot—
                          And whether pigs have wings.”
                          ― Lewis Carroll

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post


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                            So 7 years of job growth, those are direct jobs added by private companies so please don't paste something on participation rate.

                            As the thread topic states, Trump needs a economic disaster to help him. It isn't coming. It was here in 08, way before the Sept 'emergency' and had been here for 6-8 months. Not happening this time.
                            The GDP graph is of annualized quarterly numbers, not annual. So it's 100% irrelevant to the fact that Maobama is the first US president to never preside overy at least one year of 3% or better GDP growth. The economy is stagnant. This is, by far, the weakest recovery since at least 1947.

                            Trump just needs a stagnant economy to "help" him. He has that "help" in the bag...



                            However, that "help" isn't enough on its own.

                            Despite all of his self-inflicted wounds, he's still only down 1-4%, on average, in likely voter surveys, he just needs to exceed expectations to win.... but, he does actually have to start exceeding expectations.
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                            • #15
                              No, nothing, nada can save him. He keeps doubling down on disaster- you'd think with his experience in casinos he'd know better...

                              The dems have plenty of angles to hose him down- pushing (harder) on tax returns and his penchant for mail-order brides spring to mind, but they just need to keep these in reserve- the man (or his ego) is his own worst enemy.
                              Last edited by General Staff; 05 Aug 16, 18:03.
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