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  • In non Trump News, Bundy brother files Sovereign Citizen Court Documents

    At least one Bundy brother has gone or has always been a Sovereign Citizen(called SC after this) type. In a series of court filings, he's representing himself, he's gone full tilt.

    http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/i...d.pdf?t=072821

    This next one gets to the heart of the crazy beliefs.

    http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/i...u.pdf?t=924916

    http://res.cloudinary.com/bdy4ger4/i...0.pdf?t=146940

    From the first one:

    “i, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society’; and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent,”
    The lack of capitalization of the word "I" is deliberate. SC believe some strange stuff:

    https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/ne...tizen-movement

    Sovereign citizens are anti-government extremists who believe that even though they physically reside in this country, they are separate or “sovereign” from the United States. As a result, they believe they don’t have to answer to any government authority, including courts, taxing entities, motor vehicle departments, or law enforcement.
    Other ideas:

    https://www.sog.unc.edu/sites/www.so...20Nov%2013.pdf

    The first is that there are two classes of citizens within the United States. One class is sovereign or “de jure” citizens or
    “original citizens of the states.” The second class, first created by the Fourteenth Amendment, is federal
    or U.S. citizens. Sovereign citizens enjoy all the rights of the constitution, but federal citizens do not.
    Federal citizens, the sovereigns believe, have bargained away their freedoms by accepting benefits from
    the United States government. Much of what sovereigns do is intended to rescind or denounce that
    federal citizenship and reclaim their common law sovereign citizen status with all its rights.
    A second significant tenet for sovereign citizens, blending with the distinction between
    sovereign and federal citizens, is that when the federal government abandoned the gold standard in the
    1930s it substituted its citizens as collateral for the country’s debts by pledging each citizen’s future
    earnings to foreign investors. As with all other aspects of sovereign ideology, the details can vary
    considerably, but generally the explanation for how this happens is that a secret United States Treasury
    account is set up for each citizen at birth, some large sum of money placed in it or pledged to it, ranging
    from hundreds of thousands of dollars — $630,000 is a common number — to millions depending on
    which sovereign citizen group’s version you hear. As a consequence, they say, two separate identities
    are created. The corporate shell account, the one pledged as security, is the “strawman” to which
    sovereign citizens refer and, in their view, is separate and distinct from their true flesh and blood
    identity.
    In sovereign citizens’ view, the government-controlled and enslaved strawman is evidenced by
    documents showing the person’s name in all capital letters.
    Birth certificates, social security cards,
    driver’s licenses, tax forms, etc., therefore, represent only the shell corporate identity, the strawman,
    because they are written in all caps
    .
    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

  • #2
    He is going to be real popular in the Showers...If he is eating prison food, isn't that accepting government aid?

    Pruitt
    Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

    Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

    by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
      He is going to be real popular in the Showers...If he is eating prison food, isn't that accepting government aid?

      Pruitt
      Not to his mind. He says the Government owes HIM a million dollars or so for holding him.
      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
      “To talk of many things:
      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
      Of cabbages—and kings—
      And why the sea is boiling hot—
      And whether pigs have wings.”
      ― Lewis Carroll

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      • #4
        Unless he is getting his own food and sending his laundry out, he is getting government aid. Is he paying the water and electricity bill?

        Pruitt
        Pruitt, you are truly an expert! Kelt06

        Have you been struck by the jawbone of an ASS lately?

        by Khepesh "This is the logic of Pruitt"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
          Unless he is getting his own food and sending his laundry out, he is getting government aid. Is he paying the water and electricity bill?

          Pruitt
          Don't try to fathom a serious Sovereign Citizen follower, not possible.

          “i, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society’; and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent,”
          Enough said.....

          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #6
            He needs to come with a warning...

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            • #7
              This is not going to end well for the S.C.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gorque View Post
                This is not going to end well for the S.C.
                It never does. Despite decades of work, writing up their magic papers with the secret words that will make the immune to government courts they've just NOT hit on the right combination yet.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

                Comment

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