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  • Obama immigration plan blocked by 4-4 tie at Supreme Court

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A tie vote by the Supreme Court is blocking President Barack Obama's immigration plan that sought to shield millions living in the U.S. illegally from deportation.

    The justices' one-sentence opinion on Thursday effectively kills the plan for the rest of Obama's presidency. The outcome underscores that the direction of U.S. immigration policy will be determined in large part by this fall's presidential election, a campaign in which immigration already has played an outsized role.

    People who would have benefited from the programs face no imminent threat of deportation because Congress has provided money to deal with only a small percentage of people who live in the country illegally, and the president retains ample discretion to decide whom to deport.

    A tie vote sets no national precedent but leaves in place the ruling by the lower court. In this case, the federal appeals court in New Orleans said the Obama administration lacked the authority to shield up to 4 million immigrants from deportation and make them eligible for work permits without approval from Congress.
    AP - Full Article

  • #2
    Good news!
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    • #3
      Not a surprise here, I don't think anyone (other than maybe the liberals) were expecting this would be upheld. Some sectors seem to forget that in this country where have a separation of powers, the Executive branch cannot create their own laws because they don't like the Legislative branch. Only Congress can pass laws.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
        Not a surprise here, I don't think anyone (other than maybe the liberals) were expecting this would be upheld. Some sectors seem to forget that in this country where have a separation of powers, the Executive branch cannot create their own laws because they don't like the Legislative branch. Only Congress can pass laws.
        Yup. Another humiliation for Bobo. This is turning out to be a very good week indeed!
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        • #5
          It was not upheld by the SCOTUS. Simply gridlocked so the 5th Circuit opinion holds. Another Circuit could just as easily rule another way, heck multiple ones could. Then we'd have a hodgepod of rulings that apply in different areas.

          Plus the 5th circuit ruling was on the various benifits the admin wanted to give them like work cards etc. It did NOT rule on his legal authority to set priorities on how to process for deportation. So they will not be expelled.
          Last edited by Combat Engineer; 23 Jun 16, 11:51.
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          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #6
            Send those criminals back.
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            As recorded on my DA Form 1307 Individual Jump Log.
            No lie.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              It did NOT rule on his legal authority to set priorities on how to process for deportation. So they will not be expelled.
              It wasn't about his "legal authority" to set priorities. Here is the President saying what he did:

              President Obama went off script and admitted that in fact he unilaterally made changes to the law.

              http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-...article/820167

              He doesn't "legal authority" to make changes to a law.
              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                It wasn't about his "legal authority" to set priorities. Here is the President saying what he did:

                President Obama went off script and admitted that in fact he unilaterally made changes to the law.

                http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-...article/820167

                He doesn't "legal authority" to make changes to a law.
                You miss the point. The 5th Circuit ruling will NOT force the administration to deport ONE person, not a single one. The ruling did not cover that. It concerned the admin's attempt to give that certain class, parents of 'dreamers' work cards etc.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                  You miss the point. The 5th Circuit ruling will NOT force the administration to deport ONE person, not a single one. The ruling did not cover that. It concerned the admin's attempt to give that certain class, parents of 'dreamers' work cards etc.
                  Which means that the people BO was trying to legalize will remain "illegals" and subject to deportation.
                  Which isn't going to happen anyway.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                    You miss the point. The 5th Circuit ruling will NOT force the administration to deport ONE person, not a single one. The ruling did not cover that. It concerned the admin's attempt to give that certain class, parents of 'dreamers' work cards etc.
                    It's a start towards denying them any ability to remain in the US. A supreme court ruling in Obama's favor would have made it harder for succeeding administrations to crack down on the illegal, criminal, aliens living in the US.

                    And, yes, of that 11 million + the overwhelming majority are criminals of one sort or another, even if you ignore their illegal immigration status.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      It's a start towards denying them any ability to remain in the US. A supreme court ruling in Obama's favor would have made it harder for succeeding administrations to crack down on the illegal, criminal, aliens living in the US.

                      And, yes, of that 11 million + the overwhelming majority are criminals of one sort or another, even if you ignore their illegal immigration status.
                      No, it is not any such of a start. Does nothing of the sort.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                        Which means that the people BO was trying to legalize will remain "illegals" and subject to deportation.
                        Which isn't going to happen anyway.
                        It shuts down the admin's attempt to given them lawful status, which does NOT prevent them from being deported as it can be revoked at any time by any President.

                        From the 5th Cir ruling.

                        Part of DAPA involves the Secretary’s decision—at least temporarily—not to enforce the immigration laws as to a class of what he deems to be low priority illegal aliens. But importantly, the states have not challenged the priority levels he has established, and neither the preliminary injunction nor compliance with the APA requires the Secretary to remove any alien or to alter his enforcement priorities.
                        Ruling says nothing about the President\Secretaries power on not deporting certain classes of illegal aliens.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                          About time.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 101combatvet View Post
                            Send those criminals back.
                            And when you do, tell them "that's our dream".
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                              You miss the point.
                              I didn't miss the point, they are still illegal no matter what President Obama or the rest of the Democrats want to call them.
                              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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