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    The Washington Post had a story recently on the old relationship between Trump and McCarthy sidekick Roy Cohn. Apparently, Trump employed Cohn as his lawyer when he was sued for basically being a discriminatory landlord in New York in the 1970s.

    Cohn is a particularly distasteful person, working hand-in-hand with Senator McCarthy in his witch hunts of the 1950s.

    It seems to me that it is typical Trump to employ someone as devious and dishonest as Cohn in a lawsuit and Trump's recent calls for a resurgence of some form of Congressional 'un-American activities' committee harkens back to the bad old days.

    Like I have said before, 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Trump.'

    We are on a very dangerous path here...

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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    The Washington Post had a story recently on the old relationship between Trump and McCarthy sidekick Roy Cohn. Apparently, Trump employed Cohn as his lawyer when he was sued for basically being a discriminatory landlord in New York in the 1970s.

    Cohn is a particularly distasteful person, working hand-in-hand with Senator McCarthy in his witch hunts of the 1950s.

    It seems to me that it is typical Trump to employ someone as devious and dishonest as Cohn in a lawsuit and Trump's recent calls for a resurgence of some form of Congressional 'un-American activities' committee harkens back to the bad old days.

    Like I have said before, 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Trump.'

    We are on a very dangerous path here...
    Trump is sounding more and more like an honest politician. He'll screw you just like anyone else, and doesn't bother to cover his tracks.
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    • #3
      Still better than Hillary.

      But frankly, when millions are at stake you get the slipperiest lawyer available. Cohn was an SOB, but he served his clients well.
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #4
        People can be judged by their associates and it goes to character.

        Cohn was a rat, and so it Trump. And he's not 'better' than Hillary-they are both cut from the same mold.

        Trump is a neo-fascist; Hillary is a socialist.

        You would think that we could come up with better alternatives for president. Whomever wins, and I don't believe it will be Trump, we're in for a rough ride. And it doesn't have to be that way, and it is unfortunate.

        I'm voting 'none of the above' and that is a moral choice.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          The Washington Post had a story recently on the old relationship between Trump and McCarthy sidekick Roy Cohn. Apparently, Trump employed Cohn as his lawyer when he was sued for basically being a discriminatory landlord in New York in the 1970s.

          Cohn is a particularly distasteful person, working hand-in-hand with Senator McCarthy in his witch hunts of the 1950s.

          It seems to me that it is typical Trump to employ someone as devious and dishonest as Cohn in a lawsuit and Trump's recent calls for a resurgence of some form of Congressional 'un-American activities' committee harkens back to the bad old days.

          Like I have said before, 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Trump.'

          We are on a very dangerous path here...
          Goodwin's Law already? Aimed at Trump?
          If Trump is Hitler, what does that make the Hildebeast? The Anti-Christ?


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            Still better than Hillary.

            But frankly, when millions are at stake you get the slipperiest lawyer available. Cohn was an SOB, but he served his clients well.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              People can be judged by their associates and it goes to character.

              Cohn was a rat, and so it Trump. And he's not 'better' than Hillary-they are both cut from the same mold.

              Trump is a neo-fascist; Hillary is a socialist.

              You would think that we could come up with better alternatives for president. Whomever wins, and I don't believe it will be Trump, we're in for a rough ride. And it doesn't have to be that way, and it is unfortunate.

              I'm voting 'none of the above' and that is a moral choice.
              While you are correct in association, it does not apply to lawyers. When you hire a lawyer, you hire the very best you can afford. Because if you need a lawyer, a huge amount is at stake.

              It reminds me of an evaluation Patton received: a disturbing element in peacetime, an essential man in time of war.

              Vote for Trump. Congress will hold him in check; Hillary is a much greater threat.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                While you are correct in association, it does not apply to lawyers. When you hire a lawyer, you hire the very best you can afford. Because if you need a lawyer, a huge amount is at stake.

                It reminds me of an evaluation Patton received: a disturbing element in peacetime, an essential man in time of war.

                Vote for Trump. Congress will hold him in check; Hillary is a much greater threat.
                Congress did not hold Obama in check with his questionable/illegal executive orders.

                Comparing Trump to Patton is a great compliment to the former and an insult to the latter. Trump is no Patton. As a point of fact, Trump is a wuss-all talk and no substance.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Goodwin's Law already? Aimed at Trump?
                  If Trump is Hitler, what does that make the Hildebeast? The Anti-Christ?


                  Trump has advocating and supported the following:

                  -the murder of innocents.
                  -torture as US policy.
                  -mass deportation of illegals to a total of 11 million.
                  -attempting to force the armed forces to obey orders illegal or not.
                  -banning the immigration of an entire religion.

                  Trump has a big mouth, he's a demagogue, he's also a liar, and his proposals are either illegal or morally abhorrent, or both.

                  Trump's moral compass is seriously flawed.

                  That's not Godwin's Law, that is a comparison based on Trump's words and actions.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    Congress did not hold Obama in check with his questionable/illegal executive orders.

                    Comparing Trump to Patton is a great compliment to the former and an insult to the latter. Trump is no Patton. As a point of fact, Trump is a wuss-all talk and no substance.
                    He's still better than Hillary, and if Trump doesn't win, Hillary will.

                    And Congress has stopped Bobo: despite being the most hostile Prez in history to private ownership of firearms, gun control has sustained a continual series of defeats at the Federal level. Much of his spending proposals have died as well.

                    Hillary is far better at party politics than Bobo, and smarter. If she gets into office she will do serious damage.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      The Washington Post had a story recently on the old relationship between Trump and McCarthy sidekick Roy Cohn. Apparently, Trump employed Cohn as his lawyer when he was sued for basically being a discriminatory landlord in New York in the 1970s.

                      Cohn is a particularly distasteful person, working hand-in-hand with Senator McCarthy in his witch hunts of the 1950s.

                      It seems to me that it is typical Trump to employ someone as devious and dishonest as Cohn in a lawsuit and Trump's recent calls for a resurgence of some form of Congressional 'un-American activities' committee harkens back to the bad old days.

                      Like I have said before, 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Trump.'

                      We are on a very dangerous path here...
                      Admittedly Roy Cohn was a "distasteful person", but as for McCarty's "witch hunts", two items to consider.

                      1) His list and investigations, which focused upon suspected Communist agents and facilitators in Federal Government are often confused with and implied synonymously with House UnAmerican Activities Committee (HUAC) which focused in a broad range on entertainment and media persons. HUAC was operating years before McCarthy got started and continued to operate for years after McCarty became inactive(and died).

                      2) Many on McCarthy's list would later turn up on the Venona List when the Venona Project was declassified, suggesting that McCarty was right and on to something, even if his style and methods might have seemed non-PC.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Venona_papers
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                        He's still better than Hillary, and if Trump doesn't win, Hillary will.

                        And Congress has stopped Bobo: despite being the most hostile Prez in history to private ownership of firearms, gun control has sustained a continual series of defeats at the Federal level. Much of his spending proposals have died as well.

                        Hillary is far better at party politics than Bobo, and smarter. If she gets into office she will do serious damage.
                        That's the bottom line here. Knowingly putting a career criminal, serial felon, and mendacious liar in the White House, in the form of Shrillary, would be the absolute worst thing the US public could possibly do this election.

                        I seriously think if she is elected that before her term is out she's impeached for something.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post
                          The Washington Post had a story recently on the old relationship between Trump and McCarthy sidekick Roy Cohn. Apparently, Trump employed Cohn as his lawyer when he was sued for basically being a discriminatory landlord in New York in the 1970s.

                          Cohn is a particularly distasteful person, working hand-in-hand with Senator McCarthy in his witch hunts of the 1950s.

                          It seems to me that it is typical Trump to employ someone as devious and dishonest as Cohn in a lawsuit and Trump's recent calls for a resurgence of some form of Congressional 'un-American activities' committee harkens back to the bad old days.

                          Like I have said before, 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Trump.'

                          We are on a very dangerous path here...
                          Massena,

                          The real story here isn't about McCarthy & his tactics. It isn't even about the vile Cohn using his position to persecute homosexuals though he was himself gay. The story here is that by the time Trump started using Cohn he was firmly established as a mob lawyer and it was those connections that made him so valuable.

                          No other candidate for the White House this year has anything close to Trump’s record of repeated social and business dealings with mobsters, swindlers, and other crooks. Professor Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian, said the closest historical example would be President Warren G. Harding and Teapot Dome, a bribery and bid-rigging scandal in which the interior secretary went to prison. But even that has a key difference: Harding’s associates were corrupt but otherwise legitimate businessmen, not mobsters and drug dealers.

                          This is part of the Donald Trump story that few know. As Barrett wrote in his book, Trump didn’t just do business with mobbed-up concrete companies: he also probably met personally with Salerno at the townhouse of notorious New York fixer Roy Cohn, in a meeting recounted by a Cohn staffer who told Barrett she was present. This came at a time when other developers in New York were pleading with the FBI to free them of mob control of the concrete business.


                          http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...d-crime-213910
                          Last edited by BF69; 21 Jun 16, 05:40.
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                          • #14
                            No, the real story is that Trump is not a homophobe.

                            The real story is that a homo can be a Republican.

                            The real story is that hey...maybe Donald Trump was a Republican.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                              Admittedly Roy Cohn was a "distasteful person", but as for McCarty's "witch hunts", two items to consider.

                              1) His list and investigations, which focused upon suspected Communist agents and facilitators in Federal Government are often confused with and implied synonymously with House UnAmerican Activities Committee (HUAC) which focused in a broad range on entertainment and media persons. HUAC was operating years before McCarthy got started and continued to operate for years after McCarty became inactive(and died).

                              2) Many on McCarthy's list would later turn up on the Venona List when the Venona Project was declassified, suggesting that McCarty was right and on to something, even if his style and methods might have seemed non-PC.
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Venona_papers
                              The real work of removing communists from the government had been done before McCarthy began what was essentially a publicity stunt, if a particularly evil one. His behaviour actually did considerably more harm than good in the fight against domestic communism as it made a lying bully who was ultimately publicly humiliated the face of anti-communism. He discredited the very thing he claimed to fight for. In fact, his legacy is that people tend to dismiss the existence of communist spies altogether.

                              But if McCarthy was right about some of the large issues, he was wildly wrong on virtually all of the details. There is no indication that he had even a hint of the Venona decryptions, so he did not base his accusations on the information in them. Indeed, virtually none of the people that McCarthy claimed or alleged were Soviet agents turn up in Venona. He did identify a few small fry who we now know were spies but only a few. And there is little evidence that those he fingered were among the unidentified spies of Venona. Many of his claims were wildly inaccurate; his charges filled with errors of fact, misjudgments of organizations and innuendoes disguised as evidence. He failed to recognize or understand the differences among genuine liberals, fellow-traveling liberals, Communist dupes, Communists and spies — distinctions that were important to make. The new information from Russian and American archives does not vindicate McCarthy. He remains a demagogue, whose wild charges actually made the fight against Communist subversion more difficult. Like Gresham’s Law, McCarthy’s allegations marginalized the accurate claims. Because his facts were so often wrong, real spies were able to hide behind the cover of being one of his victims and even persuade well-meaning but naïve people that the whole anti-communist cause was based on inaccuracies and hysteria.
                              http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2120...t-harvey-klehr

                              It is an ongoing fascination that not only do people feel compelled to defend the man, but that it seems to be something of a duty for a subset of conservatives. He was & is unworthy of defence.

                              It is important to point out that communist espionage was real & a threat that needed to be combated, but it is also important to acknowledge that the methods that were used to do that were often appalling & most of those who suffered were guilty of no more than holding unfashionable and unpleasant political views. Its interesting that those Americans who are most obsessed with the dangers of 'big government' are also the first to give a pass to one of the foremost modern examples of its excesses.
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