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  • #16
    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    What Italian mafias did was far worse in comparison. Regardless, there are crazy people from all walks of life. There are plenty of white nationalist groups as well, but we don't talk about them because we understand they're fringe.
    Red Herring. A false comparison. The Mafia was / were / are criminals. They are in it for criminal and economic gain.

    The groups I listed want to force non-Hispanics, particularly Whites, out of the Southwestern US and relocate them elsewhere. They want to establish an Hispanic only state in place of most of the Southwestern US.



    Unlike fringe White nationalist groups that get derision heaped on them by virtually everyone, groups like MeCHa, La Raza, or even the Brown Berets, are given a free pass in the media, often supported by the MSM, usually legitimized and excused for their behavior, and can be found on most university campuses nationwide.




    If those were Neo-Nazis in uniforms wanting like racist goals how would they have been reported on that news program?


    Can't say that about White nationalist / supremacist groups. Even Progressive groups like SPLC who claim to track such racist and violent groups largely or entirely ignore these Hispanic groups and their activities.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
      I don't consider these to be leftist but more like Nationalist Right.
      They're leftist in behavior: they rabidly demand something based on something they believe to be true but isn't. In this case they have the mistaken belief that Mexico has some sort of right to take back the southwestern US based on what they think is some historical past ownership that they were deprived of. The actual facts, at least as far as California, the biggest plum in the pie:
      Native people of various tribes controlled California until the latter part of the 16th century.
      Spain controlled it until approx. 1820. Mexico then controlled it, after winning independence from Spain, for about 25 years. Alta California was a remote northern state of Mexico.
      Since about 1846 California has been in US control.

      So, in it's entire history California was under the Mexican flag for about 25 years of the last 345. To me that's hardly a basis for ceding the entire state, built by Americans, back to Mexico. Plus, if California were a Mexican state it would be just like all the other Mexican states, poor and crappy. They wouldn't suddenly learn how to govern a country just because they have a border that's further north. They'd just be a bigger failure than they are. They have a nonsense argument and they should be ignored.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
        How much have you personally seen? By the Mafia? Zero maybe?

        Rant and hyperbolic much? Yeah, thought so...
        You got me! The mafia actually didn't commit any crimes since I wasn't there to witness it first hand. Good catch.
        "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
        - Benjamin Franklin

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        • #19
          I was there briefly...it was ugly so I left.
          "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

          "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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          • #20
            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
            You got me! The mafia actually didn't commit any crimes since I wasn't there to witness it first hand. Good catch.
            Kinda a beneficent society Imo.

            Hasn't hurt me or mine. Kept the streets clean.

            Would you prefer mass crime like in Mexico? Or a toned downed version like we have here?
            Credo quia absurdum.


            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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            • #21
              Millions of Mexicans are in America illegally and they think they entitled to break the law and stay so much that they bring Mexican flags to show who's country they're loyal to?
              They're criminals and the US government has every right to send them home and keep them out it's no wonder Trump is popular saying he'll be more forceful to solve the problem of a bunch of people who only like America for the money.
              No one in Canada would tolerate that behaviour here neither should the US.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                In the name of tolerance, conservatives must not be allowed to gather in public.
                Indeed and ideally denied a democratic platform of any kind.
                Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by VinceW View Post
                  Millions of Mexicans are in America illegally and they think they entitled to break the law and stay so much that they bring Mexican flags to show who's country they're loyal to?
                  They're criminals and the US government has every right to send them home and keep them out it's no wonder Trump is popular saying he'll be more forceful to solve the problem of a bunch of people who only like America for the money.
                  No one in Canada would tolerate that behaviour here neither should the US.

                  ^


                  It was funny, Trump had to sneak into the convention at the Hyatt. Trump's motorcade pulled over onto the shoulder on the 101 freeway. Trump's entourage had to get out and climbed through a barricade & fence, then walked down a unpaved dirt road to a back entrance for the hotel. This is what Trump said about his ordeal...

                  “That was not the easiest entrance I’ve ever made,” Trump describing having to make his way through a concrete barricade, “It felt like I was crossing the border”.


                  Last edited by Persephone; 29 Apr 16, 17:31.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Persephone View Post
                    I was there briefly...it was ugly so I left.
                    How far did you get? I had to circumvent the roadblock.

                    Too many Trump supporters showed up and many had to be turned away. I was surprised at the amount of support he has here.

                    The protesters also caused a lot of roads to be closed so SFO is all screwed up. What a bunch of animals. Some dude wearing a "Make America Great Again" t-shirt got beat up and a couple of Burlingame policemen on horses had to break it up. A woman got hit in the face with a tamale and got her glasses snatched away.

                    The Trump supporters did what they could to help each other out and started chanting "build that wall!".

                    If Trump wins California, he will probably get to 1237. That is why Cruz chose Carly so early.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                      If Trump wins California, he will probably get to 1237. That is why Cruz chose Carly so early.
                      IMO...Cruz picking Carly only helps Trump in CA. I'm surprised Cruz chose her, he should have went with Nikki Haley.
                      "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                      "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                      • #26
                        Typical behavior of the "democratic Socialists" it seems. I personally cant stand Trump but he deserves to speak at his events and events he has been invited to. This kind of behavior is what the brown shirts engaged in. Truly undemocratic.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mystikeye View Post
                          Typical behavior of the "democratic Socialists" it seems. I personally cant stand Trump but he deserves to speak at his events and events he has been invited to. This kind of behavior is what the brown shirts engaged in. Truly undemocratic.
                          Well said, and I suppose the comparison was inevitable. Truth is, this is how every authoritarian movement behaves; when reason leaves them behind, they resort to violence and oppression.

                          All in all, this is the best publicity Trump could hope for. Everyone that hates America and wants to do damage to it, is anti-Trump.
                          Judge a man by his enemies, I always say.

                          If these 3rd-world scumbags think this will work, guess again.
                          Heh heh.... you don't have to wear anything that says who you favor when you go into the polling stations to vote.
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                          -Captain Jack

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Steve573 View Post
                            They're leftist in behavior: they rabidly demand something based on something they believe to be true but isn't. In this case they have the mistaken belief that Mexico has some sort of right to take back the southwestern US based on what they think is some historical past ownership that they were deprived of. The actual facts, at least as far as California, the biggest plum in the pie:
                            Native people of various tribes controlled California until the latter part of the 16th century.
                            Spain controlled it until approx. 1820. Mexico then controlled it, after winning independence from Spain, for about 25 years. Alta California was a remote northern state of Mexico.
                            Since about 1846 California has been in US control.

                            So, in it's entire history California was under the Mexican flag for about 25 years of the last 345. To me that's hardly a basis for ceding the entire state, built by Americans, back to Mexico. Plus, if California were a Mexican state it would be just like all the other Mexican states, poor and crappy. They wouldn't suddenly learn how to govern a country just because they have a border that's further north. They'd just be a bigger failure than they are. They have a nonsense argument and they should be ignored.
                            They act much the same as Hitlers Brown Shirts and his Nazi thugs and the Nazi and Neo Nazi are from the far right
                            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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