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  • Why are New York and New England so determined to freeze in the dark?

    Or are they just ignorant of the fact that natural gas can't get to homes and power plants without pipelines?
    Why New York blocked a major natural gas pipeline
    New York environmental regulators on Friday denied a permit needed for the 124-mile Constitution Pipeline project to move forward.

    By Ben Thompson, Staff APRIL 24, 2016

    New York regulators announced Friday that they will not issue a water-quality permit needed for the proposed Constitution Pipeline running through the Northeastern United States.

    The New York Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) rejected the permit for the 124-mile natural gas transfer project, which would run from gas fields in Pennsylvania through New York to a connection with other pipelines near Albany.

    The Earth Day announcement by Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration marks a second win for environmentalists in the Northeast. Earlier this week, the Kinder Morgan Northeast Direct Pipeline, a $3.1-billion northeastern natural gas project, was put on hold because of “insufficient contractual commitments” in the New England market.

    The 30-inch underground Constitution pipeline would be set to serve about 3 million homes.

    [...]

    Gov. Cuomo had previously banned the process of hydrofracking in the state in 2014, and opponents of further similar energy projects see Friday’s denial as another example of New York’s resistance to new infrastructure.

    [...]

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/20...l-gas-pipeline
    Pipeline And Nuclear Shortages Send New England's Utility Bills Soaring

    Consumers in New England got a shock in their utility bills this month. A 40% increase over the previous month. National Grid , the largest utility in Massachusetts, decided that electricity prices for this winter would rise to 24¢/kWh, a record high.

    But peak electricity prices could exceed 100¢/kWh like they did last year during the polar vortex (Forbes).

    Not sure why New Englanders are so surprised. It was their choice to throw all-in for natural gas and renewables in a land of harsh winters. But they’ve refused to build new gas pipelines. And they’re shutting a nuclear plant that has 20 years of cheap reliable cold-resistant energy left on it.

    New England already has the highest electricity prices in North America – about 18¢/kWh averaged over the whole year. The national average is 12¢/kWh. In my own state of Washington, it’s only 8¢/kWh thanks to hydro and nuclear, and a reasonable market structure (Forbes).

    [...]

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamescon.../#11c191bb5f0c
    40
    Ignorance.
    32.50%
    13
    NIMBY'ism.
    20.00%
    8
    Wishful thinking.
    22.50%
    9
    A genuine desire for high electricity and heating prices.
    10.00%
    4
    A genuine desire for power shortages.
    7.50%
    3
    A fondness for freezing in the dark.
    7.50%
    3
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  • #2
    NIMBYism dominates the Northeast, this is especially true here on Long Island where vital infrastructure projects like the LIRR's 3rd track and the proposed bridge (or tunnel) to either Connecticut or Westchester County, NY.

    Too many people are stuck in the 1950's small town suburbia Long Island image

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    • #3
      Maybe they don't want flavored water.

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/aus...131733732.html
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
        Maybe they don't want flavored water.

        https://www.yahoo.com/news/video/aus...131733732.html
        Your link...
        Aussie politician sets fire to river

        Reuters Videos
        April 25, 2016
        An Australian lawmaker sets fire to Queensland's Condamine River to show what he says is the apparent impact of the coal seam gas industry and fracking operations nearby. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).
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        • #5
          Originally posted by ChrisF1987 View Post
          NIMBYism dominates the Northeast, this is especially true here on Long Island where vital infrastructure projects like the LIRR's 3rd track and the proposed bridge (or tunnel) to either Connecticut or Westchester County, NY.

          Too many people are stuck in the 1950's small town suburbia Long Island image
          Top ten highest electricity rates...

          Residential (¢/kWh)
          1. Hawaii 26.92
          2. Connecticut 19.86
          3. Alaska 19.44
          4. Massachusetts 19.34
          5. Rhode Island 18.41
          6. New Hampshire 18
          7. California 17.76
          8. Maine 17.66
          9. Vermont 16.62
          10. New York 16.54

          https://www.eia.gov/electricity/mont...m?t=epmt_5_6_a

          Hawaii and Alaska have legitimate excuses.
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          • #6
            Just saw where some of our power plants in the St. Louis area are converting to Natural Gas. What NY and NE don't want will leave more for us and maybe drive down our utility prices. We'll take it happily.
            Homo homini lupus

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
              Top ten highest electricity rates...

              Residential (¢/kWh)
              1. Hawaii 26.92
              2. Connecticut 19.86
              3. Alaska 19.44
              4. Massachusetts 19.34
              5. Rhode Island 18.41
              6. New Hampshire 18
              7. California 17.76
              8. Maine 17.66
              9. Vermont 16.62
              10. New York 16.54

              https://www.eia.gov/electricity/mont...m?t=epmt_5_6_a

              Hawaii and Alaska have legitimate excuses.
              How long will NYS be paying off those Shoreham bonds?
              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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              • #8
                Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                How long will NYS be paying off those Shoreham bonds?
                Not long enough...
                A 'Colossal Mess'

                "We noticed that the construction seemed to be going on forever — they'd build part of the plant and then literally some of it was ripped out and then reconstructed," McCallion says.

                In the 1960s, when LILCO started building Shoreham, the utility said it would cost between $65 million and $75 million. The final bill was 100 times larger — more than $6 billion.

                "The rumor among the trades at Shoreham was that they never really wanted the project to finish because it was just a tremendous boondoggle for everyone except the consumers of electricity on Long Island," McCallion says.

                "It was just a colossal mess in terms of the construction of the plant in so many ways," says Karl Grossman, an investigative journalist who wrote a book about Shoreham. A box of nuclear engineering documents was discovered in a town dump; questions about safety and evacuation routes consumed communities near the plant; electricity rates on Long Island skyrocketed.

                Engineers working there said if the plant ever came online, they would move. And in the mid-1980s, McCallion brought a civil Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, or RICO, action against the power company on behalf of Long Island's Suffolk County.

                [...]

                "We successfully prosecuted LILCO as a racketeering organization — not a traditional one, not an organized-crime family, but as having engaged in an intentional scheme to defraud," he says.

                The jury's verdict could have bankrupted LILCO, but McCallion settled and then New York State bailed LILCO out.

                In the late 1990s, the state agency, the Long Island Power Authority, issued $7 billion in bonds and bought the company.

                [...]

                http://www.npr.org/2012/11/17/165321...island-utility
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                • #9
                  ^ Never should have been built in the first place. It's why NYS ranks so high on that list.
                  I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                    ^ Never should have been built in the first place. It's why NYS ranks so high on that list.
                    It certainly shouldn't have been built by the Mafia.

                    Texas has nuclear power plants. Ours actually work...


                    Residential (¢/kWh)
                    1. Hawaii 26.92
                    2. Connecticut 19.86
                    3. Alaska 19.44
                    4. Massachusetts 19.34
                    5. Rhode Island 18.41
                    6. New Hampshire 18
                    7. California 17.76
                    8. Maine 17.66
                    9. Vermont 16.62
                    10. New York 16.54

                    -->28. Texas 10.95
                    Last edited by The Doctor; 25 Apr 16, 12:11.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                      It certainly shouldn't have been built by the Mafia.

                      Texas has nuclear power plants. Ours actually work...
                      Without government backing, would commercial fission ever have been economically viable?

                      http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/...r#.Vx5CCzGYuXk
                      http://www.brookings.edu/research/pa...ronment-nivola
                      http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/...ies_report.pdf
                      http://www.world-nuclear.org/informa...nal-costs.aspx
                      http://www.taxpayer.net/library/arti...ower-subsidies
                      https://www.eia.gov/analysis/requests/subsidy/
                      http://www.nuclearpowerdaily.com/rep...idies_999.html

                      The numbers say no.
                      I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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                      • #12
                        Only coal, oil and natural gas are economically viable without subsidies.

                        However, nuclear and wind power can be deployed without bankrupting consumers... provided the graft and corruption are minimized.
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                        • #13
                          OMG

                          Like there is no graft and corruption with big oil. You cannot be posting some of your BS with a straight face.
                          "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                          Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                          you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                            OMG

                            Like there is no graft and corruption with big oil. You cannot be posting some of your BS with a straight face.
                            This may help... http://info.collaborativeclassroom.o...FQIKaQodW3QDLw
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Doctor View Post
                              Only coal, oil and natural gas are economically viable without subsidies.

                              However, nuclear and wind power can be deployed without bankrupting consumers... provided the graft and corruption are minimized.
                              If you include the cost of waste disposal, then no, fission cannot be commercially viable without government supports. Commercial fission has been a boondoggle from go.

                              RE the OP: in my view, while limited it admittedly is, there's nothing inherently wrong with fracking -- provided it's done right. Faulty well liners can leading to contaminates leeching into ground water: a result that no one wants. Fracking can be done safely and effectively. Government's role can be to ensure that that is done -- but to simply issue blanket bans is representative of an infantile level of thought, the kind in which Albany has long specialized.
                              I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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