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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    So leave. Or move to Washington DC. The gun laws there will protect you.
    He wants to be a over-protected, entitled sheeple that isn't responsible for his own safety. I say move to Europe. At least he can be their statistic in the future, not ours.

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    I hope this isn't implying that we don't have a serious issue with violence here in America. We do and it's fair for others to point that out. Unfortunately we're so far gone putting restrictions on firearms wouldn't even help.
    So leave. Or move to Washington DC. The gun laws there will protect you.

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  • Hida Akechi
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    I hope this isn't implying that we don't have a serious issue with violence here in America. We do and it's fair for others to point that out. Unfortunately we're so far gone putting restrictions on firearms wouldn't even help.

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  • Arnold J Rimmer
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    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    Thank God
    Indeed. I am relieved by that fact every single day.

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    You might also consider not labeling 300 million Americans the same way you label the violent among us, lest we make the same comparison with the violence in the UK and your own citizens.
    I hope this isn't implying that we don't have a serious issue with violence here in America. We do and it's fair for others to point that out. Unfortunately we're so far gone putting restrictions on firearms wouldn't even help.

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  • Snowygerry
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    If that was true then Europe would have just as high a murder rate.

    social factors play the more important of the two.
    Well - it's actually *armed people in high densities*, which is mirrored exactly in all current stats, as well as history.

    Rural, scarcely populated areas, with high percentages of private gun ownership and low crime rates can be found all over the world.

    That's because it makes perfect sense in fact to be armed in a remote location, but none at all to kill your nearest neighbour.


    Conversely - all urban population centres throughout history have implemented arms controls, and ultimately a monopoly on violence - be it Dodge City or Gent.

    Once again this makes perfect sense - because large concentrations of armed people in a constricted area cause hell and bloody murder.

    The same effects can even be observed in biology btw, herds vs. small packs vs. solitary predators.

    Problems start when specimens grown in one environment are moved to the other - but that's probably for a different thread

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  • MarkV
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    Originally posted by Michele View Post
    In theory we can hypothesize a society entirely based on a might-makes-right "ethics". In it, it's ethical and legal to rob your neighbor at gunpoint; if he's unable to defend himself, then he deserves to be robbed and you deserve to get what he has.

    We can further hypothesize that 100% of the members of that society agree about this basic tenet, and everything else that makes that society's culture.

    Therefore we have a culturally homogenous society in which your neighbor can rob you at gunpoint if he thinks he'll get away with it, and you may do the same too - not exactly a non-violent society.
    Sounds like parts of the Balkans a couple of hundred years ago and also the Scottish Highlands and the Borders at one time.

    Also very like the philosophy of the transborder Pathans - see The Sepoy by Edmund Candler. Now there was (is) a homogeneous violent society and in some ways very libertarian
    Last edited by MarkV; 02 May 16, 06:11.

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  • Michele
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    A culturally homogenous society (note culture, not race or ethnic) tends to be less violent within itself than a multicultural society.
    In theory we can hypothesize a society entirely based on a might-makes-right "ethics". In it, it's ethical and legal to rob your neighbor at gunpoint; if he's unable to defend himself, then he deserves to be robbed and you deserve to get what he has.

    We can further hypothesize that 100% of the members of that society agree about this basic tenet, and everything else that makes that society's culture.

    Therefore we have a culturally homogenous society in which your neighbor can rob you at gunpoint if he thinks he'll get away with it, and you may do the same too - not exactly a non-violent society.

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    I'd say the factors work in this progression:

    Cultural

    Socioeconomic

    Density

    Where the first two are equal, the higher the density, the more crime per capita. Hence Glasgow has more crime than the Scottish Average, and NYC, Chicago, D.C, and LA have more crime than the American (or even their state) average.

    There are significant cultural factors at play, which kind of get glossed over as one side calls Euros 'pansies' and the other side calls Americans 'gun nuts'. On average, a German citizen identifies as German, and German culture...correct me if I'm wrong. What we see in the US is that subsets identify more as being "Blank"-American rather than American, celebrate "Blank"-American culture, and tend more towards conflict with other subsets......or even conflict within their own subset, breaking it down even further. Counter-cultures and alternative cultures are also at a point where they're more popular and more entrenched than even American culture.

    A culturally homogenous society (note culture, not race or ethnic) tends to be less violent within itself than a multicultural society.
    Wisdom in a nutshell.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    ace used no cliche imo. MM otoh used a classic.
    Yeah he did John, and it's been worn out for a while now.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
    Of course no comment on the cliché MM was responding to.
    ace used no cliche imo. MM otoh used a classic.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    And in the face of some strong competition we have a winner - cliched American response to anyone from overseas. Self-righteousness, chip on shoulder, whinging about bailing others out and of course five bonus points for mentioning the wars.
    Of course no comment on the cliché MM was responding to.

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  • TacCovert4
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    Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
    If that was true then Europe would have just as high a murder rate.
    social factors play the more important of the two.
    I'd say the factors work in this progression:

    Cultural

    Socioeconomic

    Density

    Where the first two are equal, the higher the density, the more crime per capita. Hence Glasgow has more crime than the Scottish Average, and NYC, Chicago, D.C, and LA have more crime than the American (or even their state) average.

    There are significant cultural factors at play, which kind of get glossed over as one side calls Euros 'pansies' and the other side calls Americans 'gun nuts'. On average, a German citizen identifies as German, and German culture...correct me if I'm wrong. What we see in the US is that subsets identify more as being "Blank"-American rather than American, celebrate "Blank"-American culture, and tend more towards conflict with other subsets......or even conflict within their own subset, breaking it down even further. Counter-cultures and alternative cultures are also at a point where they're more popular and more entrenched than even American culture.

    A culturally homogenous society (note culture, not race or ethnic) tends to be less violent within itself than a multicultural society.

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  • Half Pint John
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    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
    Agreed, it's more a function of people concentrated in a place, and other social factors at work with those situations, rather than simply the presence of firearms.
    If that was true then Europe would have just as high a murder rate.
    social factors play the more important of the two.

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    At the risk of over-stating the obvious, we are not the UK and you are not America.


    Don't beat yourself up about it. I am sure given time that you guys could have come up with the deep fried Mars bar

    And while your nation and many others abhors our violence, you never hesitate to seek our help or our aid, especially during world wars.

    You might also consider not labeling 300 million Americans the same way you label the violent among us, lest we make the same comparison with the violence in the UK and your own citizens.
    And in the face of some strong competition we have a winner - cliched American response to anyone from overseas. Self-righteousness, chip on shoulder, whinging about bailing others out and of course five bonus points for mentioning the wars.
    Last edited by Sergio; 02 May 16, 02:42.

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