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  • GOP leaders reject change in presidential nominating rules

    HOLLYWOOD, Fla. (AP) — Republican Party leaders turned aside an effort Thursday to change the rules at their national convention to make it harder for the GOP to choose a fresh presidential candidate, a prelude to what may be sharper battles ahead.

    The showdown, which pitted the top echelons of the Republican National Committee against a renegade party committeeman from Oregon, came at a time when many in the GOP believe that top presidential contenders Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz are likely losers in this November's general election. Some have been hoping a new candidate will emerge at the party's gathering in Cleveland, a scenario that has drawn the wrath of Trump and Cruz backers and many of the party's grassroots conservatives.

    Though the party's 56-member rules committee rejected the proposal by voice vote, Thursday's showdown was likely a mere skirmish compared to the battles that may occur in Cleveland over the bylaws the party will to choose its standard-bearer in this fall's elections.
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    I'd say it's looking pretty good he'll have enough to get the nomination. The GOP leadership is just tweaked that one of their party insiders isn't getting the nod.

    The Shrill one on the other hand is relying heavily on party insiders (super delegates) to get nominated. In my view Sanders is showing her up as a weak candidate.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      I'd say it's looking pretty good he'll have enough to get the nomination. The GOP leadership is just tweaked that one of their party insiders isn't getting the nod.

      The Shrill one on the other hand is relying heavily on party insiders (super delegates) to get nominated. In my view Sanders is showing her up as a weak candidate.
      I may be a Bernie fan, but even I know that Hillary is legitimately winning. She has a significant lead among both pleaded delegates (1428 vs 1151) and total votes (10.4 million vs 7.7 million). Hillary's collation of seniors, Blacks, Hispanics and the wealthy easily defeats Sander's coalition of Whites, young people, the poor and independents in states where Whites don't dominate the Democratic Party. Sanders does best in caucasus as they're the domain of the hardcore partisan liberals.
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      • #4
        Neither gets to 1237, Cruz wins at a contested convention.
        A wild liberal appears! Conservative uses logical reasoning and empirical evidence! It's super effective! Wild liberal faints.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          I'd say it's looking pretty good he'll have enough to get the nomination. The GOP leadership is just tweaked that one of their party insiders isn't getting the nod.

          The Shrill one on the other hand is relying heavily on party insiders (super delegates) to get nominated. In my view Sanders is showing her up as a weak candidate.
          As has been pointed out above, she is over 200 pledged delegates and almost 3 million votes ahead. She just trounced Sanders by 250,000 votes in the state where he was born & grew up & the state where the 'Occupy' movement he feeds off was also born. He now needs to win 60% of the remaining delegates in a string of states where he is trailing heavily in the polls.

          Once again you are incapable of thinking straight the moment Hillary's name is mentioned. All critical faculty disappears in favour of straight out rants. The only way to describe a wilful ignorance of basic facts like this is 'blinded by prejudice'.
          Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BF69 View Post
            As has been pointed out above, she is over 200 pledged delegates and almost 3 million votes ahead. She just trounced Sanders by 250,000 votes in the state where he was born & grew up & the state where the 'Occupy' movement he feeds off was also born. He now needs to win 60% of the remaining delegates in a string of states where he is trailing heavily in the polls.

            Once again you are incapable of thinking straight the moment Hillary's name is mentioned. All critical faculty disappears in favour of straight out rants. The only way to describe a wilful ignorance of basic facts like this is 'blinded by prejudice'.
            She would be about just 240 delegates ahead without the super delegates. Given both candidates still have several hundred to go, including California, it is easily possible that Sanders could win... Without the party insider super delegates.

            That indicates weakness on the part of Hillary, not strength.

            As for the rest of your rant... Meh.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Destroyer25 View Post
              Neither gets to 1237, Cruz wins at a contested convention.
              wishful thinking

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Destroyer25 View Post
                Neither gets to 1237, Cruz wins at a contested convention.
                I agree neither gets to 1,237 before the convention... Ballot results will heavily depend on how far ahead Trump is going into the convention and the behavior of both candidates during the home stretch.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  She would be about just 240 delegates ahead without the super delegates. Given both candidates still have several hundred to go, including California, it is easily possible that Sanders could win... Without the party insider super delegates.

                  That indicates weakness on the part of Hillary, not strength.

                  As for the rest of your rant... Meh.
                  Not if you go by popular vote and what the polls say. Sanders could win theoretically, but theoretically all the GOP candidates could drop out and endorse Hillary as well. What is likely is a different case indeed.

                  Still, I would love to see Sanders have a few big upsets and actually get close to Hillary's figures, just to see the backlash against the Democratic establishment... though on the other hand, every single conservative in the United States should be thankful for the Super Delegates, since it is made to ensure liberal moderates like Hillary get the nod instead of democratic-socialists like Sanders.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    She would be about just 240 delegates ahead without the super delegates. Given both candidates still have several hundred to go, including California, it is easily possible that Sanders could win... Without the party insider super delegates.
                    In other words she isn't relying on super delegates - the exact opposite of what you claimed. Not that difficult really. I'm fascinated by the mental process that has brought you to believe the exact opposite of what is actually happening.

                    That indicates weakness on the part of Hillary, not strength.

                    As for the rest of your rant... Meh.
                    You seem determined to prove my 'rant' 100% correct. At least you didn't call her a 'bitch' this time. Congratulations on your restraint.
                    Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                      Not if you go by popular vote and what the polls say. Sanders could win theoretically, but theoretically all the GOP candidates could drop out and endorse Hillary as well. What is likely is a different case indeed.

                      Still, I would love to see Sanders have a few big upsets and actually get close to Hillary's figures, just to see the backlash against the Democratic establishment... though on the other hand, every single conservative in the United States should be thankful for the Super Delegates, since it is made to ensure liberal moderates like Hillary get the nod instead of democratic-socialists like Sanders.
                      True, but its never been necessary to use them to achieve that end ironically. It seems like the lessons learned from past mistakes have been enough.
                      Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                        In other words she isn't relying on super delegates - the exact opposite of what you claimed. Not that difficult really. I'm fascinated by the mental process that has brought you to believe the exact opposite of what is actually happening.
                        Wrong. She is. Without them she would have to spend far more money and be campaigning far harder than she is to maintain the slim margin of a lead she has. With them she is now going to coast to the finish.
                        That means she saves millions in cash for the general election she'd otherwise have to spend campaigning far harder in places like California.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                          Not if you go by popular vote and what the polls say. Sanders could win theoretically, but theoretically all the GOP candidates could drop out and endorse Hillary as well. What is likely is a different case indeed.

                          Still, I would love to see Sanders have a few big upsets and actually get close to Hillary's figures, just to see the backlash against the Democratic establishment... though on the other hand, every single conservative in the United States should be thankful for the Super Delegates, since it is made to ensure liberal moderates like Hillary get the nod instead of democratic-socialists like Sanders.
                          What Sanders could do without the Super delegates is cause the exact same situation that the MSM has been gleefully crowing the GOP faces: A brokered convention. That is Hillary misses getting the number of necessary delegates, even by a few, and that results in a brokered convention.
                          If it's so bad for the Republicans it's equally bad for the Democrats. But, with the super delegate thing, Hillary has a comfortable margin to victory.

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                          • #14
                            Going back to the OP this is what's going to be so interesting in my opinion: does the GOP ignore the voters, assuming Trump is a clear leader going into the convention? The GOP feels that another candidate would have a better chance vs. Hillary (or long shot Sander) but I think they must be smoking crack if they think that. I don't see it--I think those voters who voted for Trump will in large numbers vote for a third party rather than Cruz or Kasich, unless they're just simple party line types who vote GOP no matter what. There are a certain percentage that will do that, just as there are a similar percentage of liberals who will vote democrat no matter what. These are what we call "idiots".

                            In the short term what's likely to wreck the GOP is them not backing the choice of the voters. They do that and they can kiss it goodbye for the next 4 years in my opinion. In the long run it may help the GOP to rebound and get their act together for elections of 2020 and beyond...right now they're like some stumbling alcoholic who hasn't quite hit bottom yet. If they fail to back the voters' choice they'll pretty much bottom out and may earn less votes in November than a third-party candidate, especially if that's the way Trump goes.

                            I think for the GOP to take the voters' voices lightly this time will be a big mistake, and they'd be cutting their own throats...but that's just my opinion.

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                            • #15
                              This post has nothing to do with the Democrats, regardless of who their candidate may eventually be. This post concerns the RNC which must, above all else, put a candidate in the race they feel can obtain the White House. I've heard some of the media motormouths saying the RNC is not certain The Donald or Mr. Cruz will be able to do that for them.

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