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  • #76
    It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by hawker_gb View Post
      Yeah,that would be nice.
      Shoot jets down,then Russians dispatch TU-22 and sink Cook then US launch nukes then Russia launch nukes... then what?

      Big boys play their game in their way. They play same game few decades.
      Let them play it.
      Dont worry, these two wont shoot on each other. Only some,not very bright people thinks that they should take out jets or sink Cook.
      Luckily,big boys already forgot about that and move on.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
        As a tip, you would be better served by finding an example of an American plane buzzing a Russian ship from this century. But good on you for trying.
        I'll second that.

        And those pics bother me, from an aeronautical point of view.
        One little down-draft, just one, and that bomber would have plowed straight into that ship.

        But who ever heard of any turbulence going on around a 4,000 tons ship moving along at 20 knots?
        How ridiculous!
        "Why is the Rum gone?"

        -Captain Jack

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        • #79
          And the Russians accuse us of being 'cowboys'.

          I tend to think of them as being 'special children'.

          Nuts is more specific. How about they resume playing chess and acting in a rational fashion??? Aint holding my breath though...
          Credo quia absurdum.


          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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          • #80
            Next time shoot them down.
            There won't be another pass by for a long long time.
            Last edited by VinceW; 18 Apr 16, 23:25.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by VinceW View Post
              Next time shoot them down.
              There won't be another pass by for a long long time.
              I agree. We should let everyone know that we will shoot down any aircraft that approach our naval ships in what could be conceived as threatening the vessel and the military personnel aboard.
              "War is hell, but actual combat is a motherf#cker"
              - Col. David Hackworth

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                If you drop the insults and disparagement of things just generally, that amounts to: "Right or wrong, my country!"

                You've got the entire Cold War to draw on. Plenty of both Swedish and Soviet aircraft lost back then. Why don't you? Since Russians these days seem so very keen on refighting it?
                Poor you, seems like you don't like the taste of the medicine of insults and disparagement you and the Bash Russia crew likes to feed Russians on every occasion?

                What my posts amount to is: "Such behaviour is nether unprofessional nor it is somehow "uniquely Russian" as many posters here, as well as the Western media, want to present it. The incident with the Swedish plane was an example of truly dangerous and unprofessional behaviour which ended with a loss of life".

                You are so blinded with your self-righteous blame Russia rhetoric you can't even belive your own country can be guilty of unprofessional and dangerous military actions, despite the facts thrown in your face. Poor you, indeed.

                Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                As a tip, you would be better served by finding an example of an American plane buzzing a Russian ship from this century. But good on you for trying.
                Nice try, but the talk was of international standards of safety at sea. And the example I've show is what true lack of skills and professionalism means.

                Originally posted by BKnight3 View Post
                What do you think about the Russian bomber that crashed while buzzing a US aircraft carrier?
                That was very unprofessional and caused unnecessary risks to the lives of servicemen of both nations, no argument here.

                The video of the recent incident, however, showed the maneuvers any decently trained pilot could perform without any risk of collision. The American media and government should man up. Not only they do not achieve their desired goal of branding Russian pilots "unprofessional" (after Syria even the most hardcore Western magazines wrote commending articles about the flight training of Russian pilots), but they only make themselves look like whiney brats.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by ShAA View Post
                  Ok, guys, I hope you've all spoken out about unprofessional evil drunk stupid bears, right?

                  Now repeat it all about Sweden if you have the slightest shreds of integrity about yourselves.

                  Swedish SH37 Viggen crashes photographing new Russian cruiser



                  Peter the Great is a nuclear-powered cruiser.

                  Don't get upset, guys - I was only joking about your integrity, of course
                  Assuming that the Swedish pilot buzzed that Russian cruiser in a manner that was similar to what those SU-24 pilots did with the USS Donald Cook I would agree. The article in question only pointed out that the Viggen pilot was conducting "low level passes" which is bit unspecific. Low level passes sounds very much like a standard SSC mission to me, and the fact is that we (meaning USA, Russia, China et al) love to take pictures, listen in to radio traffic, examine the electro-magnetic spectrum etc.... of each other's gear. With that being said, what those two SU-24 pilots did was grossly unprofessional; when you fly close enough to a ship that the crew can tell what color your eyes are you are way too close. As I said in my previous post, those two idiots are lucky that they are not dead. If the ship's CIWS had been energized their aircraft would have been reduced to shreds.
                  Last edited by Bass_Man86; 19 Apr 16, 07:47.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Bass_Man86 View Post
                    Assuming that the Swedish pilot buzzed that Russian cruiser in a manner that was similar to what those SU-24 pilots did with the USS Donald Cook I would agree. The article in question only pointed out that the Viggen pilot was conducting "low level passes" which is bit unspecific. Low level passes sounds very much like a standard SSC mission to me, and the fact is that we (meaning USA, Russia, China et al) love to take pictures, listen in to radio traffic, examine the electro-magnetic spectrum etc.... of each other's gear. With that being said, what those two SU-24 pilots did was grossly unprofessional; when you fly close enough to a ship that the crew can tell what color your eyes are you are way too close. As I said in my previous post, those two idiots are lucky that they are not dead. If the ship's CIWS had been energized their aircraft would have been reduced to shreds.
                    Okay, let's continue your line of thinking in regard to the 1996 incident: if the Swedish pilot performed a standard mission as you describe it, then his crash was an even more clear indication of his lack of professionalism than what I suggested.

                    As for the rest, come on, your bias is showing.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by ShAA View Post
                      Okay, let's continue your line of thinking in regard to the 1996 incident: if the Swedish pilot performed a standard mission as you describe it, then his crash was an even more clear indication of his lack of professionalism than what I suggested.

                      As for the rest, come on, your bias is showing.
                      I merely pointed out that given what was related in the article it sounded like a standard SSC mission; the article was short on specifics. The article did not furnish any photographic evidence, nor did the article specify the range and altitude of the Viggen in relation to the cruiser whereas in the case of those two SU-24 pilots a picture tells a thousand words. So, are you so sure that it is my bias that is showing?
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                      • #86
                        The Swedish Cold War approved minimum height of operations was 3 meters above sea level. VERY aggressive flying should be expected of the Swedish airforce — in its best tradition.

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                        • #87
                          Nothing puts a smile on my mouth as much as bellicose farts behind computer screens spouting out nonsense, chest-beating and issuing out threats and warnings. Goes in nicely with suits and demagogues with hawkish statements. Really, if only we could muster your glorious capabilities and make this world a better place.

                          That was not a simulated attack profile, or do you honestly think that anti-ship attacks are carried out that way? Not even the "Russian junk" does that, these days.

                          Secondly, I find it particularly amusing to see individuals laughing at Tu-22 bombers: those "junk planes", operating as part of air regiments, were perfectly capable of destroying US carrier groups using a combination of mission specialised different aircraft (Tu-22, Tu-95, Tu-160 mixes) and anti-ship missiles. Yes, the losses due to opposing fighters and long range SAM are taken into account: those were one way missions by design, relying on a rather large number of planes launching a very large number of missiles. Very good missiles, by the way.

                          Thirdly, other than PR and media reporting, this is a non-event. Wake
                          me up when Russians send a task force with nuclear weapons to Cuba or Venezuela, and suddenly international water transit becomes problematic again.
                          Last edited by Epigon; 19 Apr 16, 19:54.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                            Youze guys are silly. They are trying to get us to power up the radar array. They gain intel on the bands that we search on and learn how to jam them...

                            So no, you don't light them up unless necessary...
                            Probably the most sensible post on the entire thread.

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                            • #89
                              True. Maybe we should issue some Police Radar Guns to Destroyer crews.....so they can screw with planes buzzing them.....
                              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by MarkV View Post
                                Surrounding! Come off it - looked at a map recently? The majority of countries that share a border with Russia are not in NATO
                                "Surrounding" may not have the word to use here, NATO is only in the West after all, but the point stands.

                                Belgian planes patrol the Russian borders in the Baltic routinely, and although they likely do not engage in such silliness as in OP, the purpose is the same.

                                Posturing.
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