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  • #31
    If he were only a Democrat, it would be a non issue.

    Anyone remember Barney Frank? Gary Studds? Teddy Kennedy, Bill Clinton?

    Hastert is getting what he deserves even though it is still a slap on the hand. It's more then what the Democrats above got for their crimes of underage sex with interns, running a homosexual brothel with teen pages, sexual harassment of several young ladies, and, in the case of Teddy Kennedy, involuntary manslaughter of a young woman where the investigation was order closed or else, not to mention the attempted rape of a waitress in a local eating establishment.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
      If he were only a Democrat, it would be a non issue.

      Anyone remember Barney Frank? Gary Studds? Teddy Kennedy, Bill Clinton?

      Hastert is getting what he deserves even though it is still a slap on the hand. It's more then what the Democrats above got for their crimes of underage sex with interns, running a homosexual brothel with teen pages, sexual harassment of several young ladies, and, in the case of Teddy Kennedy, involuntary manslaughter of a young woman where the investigation was order closed or else, not to mention the attempted rape of a waitress in a local eating establishment.
      But, but, but the other buy.....,.....
      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
      “To talk of many things:
      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
      Of cabbages—and kings—
      And why the sea is boiling hot—
      And whether pigs have wings.”
      ― Lewis Carroll

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      • #33
        I find our sentencing for rape/molestation cases to be an utter joke! In some ways, these crimes are worse than murder. Someone who has been murdered no longer suffers. For rape and molestation, the victims suffer for the rest of their lives. It affects their family life, their work and careers, their physical and mental well being, their ability to trust people and on and on. Many turn to drug and alcohol to cope with the demons (memories) they have and many commit suicide.
        The assholes who commit these crimes should NEVER walk the streets again. I will NEVER believe that these ones can be 'cured' or 'rehabilitated'! NEVER EVER!!!!!!
        "War is hell, but actual combat is a motherf#cker"
        - Col. David Hackworth

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        • #34
          Originally posted by DeltaOne View Post
          I find our sentencing for rape/molestation cases to be an utter joke! In some ways, these crimes are worse than murder. Someone who has been murdered no longer suffers. For rape and molestation, the victims suffer for the rest of their lives. It affects their family life, their work and careers, their physical and mental well being, their ability to trust people and on and on. Many turn to drug and alcohol to cope with the demons (memories) they have and many commit suicide.
          The assholes who commit these crimes should NEVER walk the streets again. I will NEVER believe that these ones can be 'cured' or 'rehabilitated'! NEVER EVER!!!!!!
          He was NOT sentenced for any child molestation charge. Those charges run decades typically. In this case the statute of limitations on the molestation charges kicked in a long time ago, so no chance to charge him.
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
            He was NOT sentenced for any child molestation charge. Those charges run decades typically. In this case the statute of limitations on the molestation charges kicked in a long time ago, so no chance to charge him.
            Effectively he was sentenced for attempted bribery to try and cover up the molestation - in plain words corruption. Given his former high position in public service this should also be deemed a grave offence but sadly perhaps it is more common amongst politicians. I note that a slew of fellow politicians turned up to plead for leniency.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by MarkV View Post
              Effectively he was sentenced for attempted bribery to try and cover up the molestation - in plain words corruption. Given his former high position in public service this should also be deemed a grave offence but sadly perhaps it is more common amongst politicians. I note that a slew of fellow politicians turned up to plead for leniency.
              Not corruption at all. His job in the federal government had nothing to do with his charges.

              Only in the sense that he was give a sentence about 3x longer than some typically would have gotten for a money structuring charge. 15 months vs 5 months.

              It needs to be noted that because of his health the Judge specified that he HAD to be sent to one of the four federal prison hospitals that can handle someone in his condition. They are all filled on the basis of medical need, pulling patients from the entire Federal Penitentiary system. Currently they are all full and will remain so. Prisoners moving in a beds become available. So as of now he will remain at home with is clock on hold. Good chance, with his health, that he will never make into the system.
              “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
              “To talk of many things:
              Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
              Of cabbages—and kings—
              And why the sea is boiling hot—
              And whether pigs have wings.”
              ― Lewis Carroll

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DeltaOne View Post
                I find our sentencing for rape/molestation cases to be an utter joke! In some ways, these crimes are worse than murder. Someone who has been murdered no longer suffers. For rape and molestation, the victims suffer for the rest of their lives. It affects their family life, their work and careers, their physical and mental well being, their ability to trust people and on and on. Many turn to drug and alcohol to cope with the demons (memories) they have and many commit suicide.
                The assholes who commit these crimes should NEVER walk the streets again. I will NEVER believe that these ones can be 'cured' or 'rehabilitated'! NEVER EVER!!!!!!

                I used to volunteer at a rape crisis center and what you said is spot on. The victims continue to suffer for the rest of their lives, meanwhile the perps only need to wait out the statute of limitations.
                "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Persephone View Post
                  I used to volunteer at a rape crisis center and what you said is spot on. The victims continue to suffer for the rest of their lives, meanwhile the perps only need to wait out the statute of limitations.
                  statute of limitations laws are CRITICAL to maintaining the balance between the power of government prosecutions vs individual freedoms. It's very hard for an individual to mount an effective defense against a crime that was supposedly committed decades ago.

                  Simple question could you provide an alibi for where you were on July 18th 1997? Between 8PM on the 18th and 2 AM on the 19th? Got any witnesses to back that up?
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                    statute of limitations laws are CRITICAL to maintaining the balance between the power of government prosecutions vs individual freedoms. It's very hard for an individual to mount an effective defense against a crime that was supposedly committed decades ago.

                    Pffft...Hastert confessed in a court of law and the judge can do nothing.
                    "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                    "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                      He was NOT sentenced for any child molestation charge. Those charges run decades typically. In this case the statute of limitations on the molestation charges kicked in a long time ago, so no chance to charge him.

                      Then why was he ordered to undergo sex offender treatment if it was merely a corruption charge?
                      "Stand for the flag ~ Kneel for the fallen"

                      "A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." ~ Bruce Lee

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Persephone View Post
                        Then why was he ordered to undergo sex offender treatment if it was merely a corruption charge?
                        Judge added it because the law allowed him to. Once time for those charges past decades ago, more.
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Persephone View Post
                          Pffft...Hastert confessed in a court of law and the judge can do nothing.
                          Yes.
                          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                          “To talk of many things:
                          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                          Of cabbages—and kings—
                          And why the sea is boiling hot—
                          And whether pigs have wings.”
                          ― Lewis Carroll

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