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    HUNTINGDON, Pa. — A former president of a county bar association has been convicted of using forged documents to pose as an estate lawyer for a decade even though she didn't have a law license.
    "We think that she had no intent to defraud," Roberto said.

    She said there was no evidence Kitchen's work was bad. "She provided a good service," she said.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/...Kz&ocid=SMSDHP

    Well, there's one case where someone without a fancy degree or being in the Lawyer's union (aka Bar) was doing equally well at the job... Which after all, really is just about doing paperwork for the most part.

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    Guess we don't need medical schools either.

    http://tucson.com/news/national/man-...0cf34d0c2.html

    COLUMBIA, S.C. - A man stole a physician's identity and pretended to be a doctor for a year in South Carolina, and now investigators are combing through medical records to see whether he harmed any of the hundreds of patients he treated, authorities said.

    Ernest Addo of Austell, Ga., is charged with unlawful practice of medicine and obtaining goods under false pretense, authorities said
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    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
    “To talk of many things:
    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
    Of cabbages—and kings—
    And why the sea is boiling hot—
    And whether pigs have wings.”
    ― Lewis Carroll

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
      Guess we don't need medical schools either.

      http://tucson.com/news/national/man-...0cf34d0c2.html

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      Doing someone's paperwork wrong isn't going to get them dead. Lawyering doesn't require anymore than being good at filling out forms for the most part unless you're a trial lawyer. Then acting skills are an asset. After all, lawyering, unlike medicine, is nothing more than a simple liberal arts degree like one in political science (oxymoron there...), or art history...

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      • #4
        This is the most significant remark of them all:
        "We think that she had no intent to defraud," Roberto said.
        What else could you possibly call it. She intended, deliberately, to practice illegally and thus place every person's transaction that she conducted in legal jeopardy.

        We don't need lawyers - we need educators and people to instruct on ethicas and morals, and we obviously need a lot of them.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          This is the most significant remark of them all:

          What else could you possibly call it. She intended, deliberately, to practice illegally and thus place every person's transaction that she conducted in legal jeopardy.

          We don't need lawyers - we need educators and people to instruct on ethicas and morals, and we obviously need a lot of them.
          Of course they said that. If they said she was defrauding her satisfied customers who got, apparently, good service then they'd be damning the whole industry as a bunch of frauds charging $100+ an hour to do some paperwork.

          Lawyers are no different from building contractors. Both provide a service to their customers. The only thing their license does is give customers recourse for crap workmanship. Even then, a customer's recourse is often limited by their own resources and the lawyer's / contractor's willingness to remain in business.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            Doing someone's paperwork wrong isn't going to get them dead.
            Wanna reconsider that statement?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
              Wanna reconsider that statement?
              No. Paperwork may mess up your life but it almost never get you killed.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                No. Paperwork may mess up your life but it almost never get you killed.
                Unless you get the death penalty of course.
                First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                • #9
                  In which case you have 10 years or more of appeals to have that paperwork double checked.
                  Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                  • #10
                    .... well, it proves that bureaucrats have ZERO sense of humor.

                    I just never thought that there were so damned many of them.
                    "Why is the Rum gone?"

                    -Captain Jack

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                      Unless you get the death penalty of course.
                      Oh, they have automatic appeals on that so it will take 10 to 20 years for them to actually decide you should die...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        No. Paperwork may mess up your life but it almost never get you killed.
                        And having someones financial/business life messed up is OK with you?
                        “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                        “To talk of many things:
                        Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                        Of cabbages—and kings—
                        And why the sea is boiling hot—
                        And whether pigs have wings.”
                        ― Lewis Carroll

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          Oh, they have automatic appeals on that so it will take 10 to 20 years for them to actually decide you should die...
                          And you're going to tell me no innocents have ever been executed or come close?
                          First Counsul Maleketh of Jonov

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            No. Paperwork may mess up your life but it almost never get you killed.
                            Now you're backtracking. You said it would never get you dead, not "almost never".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Delenda estRoma View Post
                              And you're going to tell me no innocents have ever been executed or come close?
                              Your not going to tell us that Lawyers were at fault on both sides of that item?

                              If anything, the endless layers of obfuscation, confusion and complications (the Lawyer's natural environment) CAUSE more miscarriages of justice than it clears up.
                              "Why is the Rum gone?"

                              -Captain Jack

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