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  • FBI may have a key

    But is this only the first round of a battle with Apple?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35868322
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  • #2
    This fight isn't anything new. As the number of phone-cracking systems spread (my agency has one) so has the rise of private companies looking to sell patches that help such systems crack phone code protections.

    Apple is the worst offender-it can take up to six months for an affordable breaker to hit the market after they market a new phone.

    The good news is that breakers don't normally make the news, and most cases can afford to wait that long.

    So we pick off kiddie porn users and souvenir-keeping molesters who mistakenly believe that Apple has their back.

    Its the age-old story of profit extracted from Human suffering.
    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      This fight isn't anything new. As the number of phone-cracking systems spread (my agency has one) so has the rise of private companies looking to sell patches that help such systems crack phone code protections.

      Apple is the worst offender-it can take up to six months for an affordable breaker to hit the market after they market a new phone.

      The good news is that breakers don't normally make the news, and most cases can afford to wait that long.

      So we pick off kiddie porn users and souvenir-keeping molesters who mistakenly believe that Apple has their back.

      Its the age-old story of profit extracted from Human suffering.
      If Apple is successfully shielding its customers from the constant hacking and invasions of privacy, how are they "the offenders"?

      It seems to me that the rights of citizens remain paramount, unless you are declaring war on us in which case all bets are off, and "the ends justify the means" didn't work for the Third Reich or for the Soviet Union, and they damned sure won't work here in America.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Here are 5 theories as to why the FBI is suddenly backing down.



        The FBI is giving the ACLU's method a try -- at last.

        The FBI is bluffing because it needs more time -- or wants the case to die down.

        The NSA stepped in.

        Apple tipped off the FBI.

        John McAfee, or someone like him, cracked the iPhone.


        http://www.latimes.com/business/tech...htmlstory.html
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        • #5
          There are a lot of companies out there that make their living selling 'cracking patches' to LE agencies. My agency budgets about $17,000 a year to keep our capability up to speed. No sooner does a phone with new encryption comes out than people start working to break it.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            If Apple is successfully shielding its customers from the constant hacking and invasions of privacy, how are they "the offenders"?

            It seems to me that the rights of citizens remain paramount, unless you are declaring war on us in which case all bets are off, and "the ends justify the means" didn't work for the Third Reich or for the Soviet Union, and they damned sure won't work here in America.

            Because they hampering a investigation.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
              There are a lot of companies out there that make their living selling 'cracking patches' to LE agencies. My agency budgets about $17,000 a year to keep our capability up to speed. No sooner does a phone with new encryption comes out than people start working to break it.
              So you are admitting that you/LE is a major part of the assault on the rights of citizens, in the name, of course, of "doing it for our own good"?

              That's what they said in Nazi Germany and Communist Russia, and China.

              You're walking on the edge of a razor, Rimmer. How would you feel if the rest of us dedicated ourselves to surveilling you? For your own safety and security, of course...
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                Because they hampering a investigation.
                Seriously? That's the excuse for surveilling, without a shred of evidence or any legal oversight, 300 million Americans?

                I don't think so, Skippy. That's the excuse that oppressors always use: "It's for your own safety and security", and yet even our government agrees that we are at greater risk now than we were before Homeland Security, NSA massive data mining operations and all of the Patriot Act illegal surveillance.

                How about if we all start watching you? Would that bother you? Because it should.
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  So you are admitting that you/LE is a major part of the assault on the rights of citizens, in the name, of course, of "doing it for our own good"?

                  That's what they said in Nazi Germany and Communist Russia, and China.

                  You're walking on the edge of a razor, Rimmer. How would you feel if the rest of us dedicated ourselves to surveilling you? For your own safety and security, of course...

                  They instigating crimes. If you have senstive info on your phone you stupid since these codes are not only used by LE but by shaddy groups who would love to hake your phone and get your info.


                  Cops like our cops need a warrant and actually have your phone. I mean this is not a hard thing to think about.
                  you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Seriously? That's the excuse for surveilling, without a shred of evidence or any legal oversight, 300 million Americans?

                    I don't think so, Skippy. That's the excuse that oppressors always use: "It's for your own safety and security", and yet even our government agrees that we are at greater risk now than we were before Homeland Security, NSA massive data mining operations and all of the Patriot Act illegal surveillance.

                    How about if we all start watching you? Would that bother you? Because it should.

                    This is a apple you comparing mass surveillance orranges. There that not done by your local police agency. I doubt they have the budget.
                    you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                      They instigating crimes. If you have senstive info on your phone you stupid since these codes are not only used by LE but by shaddy groups who would love to hake your phone and get your info.


                      Cops like our cops need a warrant and actually have your phone. I mean this is not a hard thing to think about.
                      Agreed, IF they present a legally obtained warrant and IF they limit their surveillance to that person and IF they can't use their cracking software to access the millions of phones in the hands of innocent, law abiding taxpayers.

                      Lot of "if's" there, and that's the basis of the problem, because none of that is being adhered to.

                      Would I trust a specialist agency to crack cell phone codes and provide the information to LE under court order. Maybe. Do I trust the LE's to hold that power? NO.

                      My signature says it all: "Who watches the watchers"? The answer right no is nobody.

                      Ever see the film Minority Report? Did you understand the deeper implications?
                      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Agreed, IF they present a legally obtained warrant and IF they limit their surveillance to that person and IF they can't use their cracking software to access the millions of phones in the hands of innocent, law abiding taxpayers.

                        Lot of "if's" there, and that's the basis of the problem, because none of that is being adhered to.

                        Would I trust a specialist agency to crack cell phone codes and provide the information to LE under court order. Maybe. Do I trust the LE's to hold that power? NO.

                        My signature says it all: "Who watches the watchers"? The answer right no is nobody.

                        Ever see the film Minority Report? Did you understand the deeper implications?
                        Well they kind of need your phone, aka physically have it. They not the NSA who can wirelessly hake all your ****.
                        you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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