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  • No Doubt About It — We’re Back in a Ground War in Iraq

    We now have units from a MEU on the ground...........so much for "no boots on the ground."

    The Marine killed in an ISIS rocket attack in Iraq on Saturday was at the first American firebase that had only become operational a few days earlier CNN has learned.

    The existence of the firebase had not been made public. The Pentagon had planned to acknowledge the firebase this week, a defense official tells CNN. The rugged location for now has a “couple of hundred” Marines living in tents near Makhmour in northern Iraq.

    It’s assumed ISIS observed the Marines moving into the area and saw them firing practice rounds with their howitzers, the official said.

    Apparently, the firebase will be used to support the Iraqi army’s advance on Mosul: The Marines will be using their field artillery guns in the coming weeks to help defend Iraqi troops as they move towards Mosul. For now, the artillery is to defend another nearby base where American troops are getting 5,000 Iraqi forces ready for the operation to retake Mosul. The Marines first began moving into the area just two weeks ago from their own base of operations aboard an amphibious assault ship the USS Kearsarge, the defense official told CNN.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...iraq-continues
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

  • #2
    Just to clarify.... Is this the same Iraq that couldn't WAIT to get rid of us a couple of years ago?

    If so, what goes around, comes around. Ya just gotta love the irony of that.

    GG

    p.s. As an aside.... why is it that we are only "wanted" when the situation is going to s... in a hurry? Seems a bit one sided to me.
    "The will of a section rooted in self interest, should not outweigh the vital interests of a whole people." -Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain-

    "Fanatics of any sort are dangerous." -GG-

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
      Just to clarify.... Is this the same Iraq that couldn't WAIT to get rid of us a couple of years ago?
      A clarification.....it was a political move on our President so that he could claim he ended the war....right before the elections.

      Maliki was willing to accept a deal with U.S. forces if it was worth it to him — the problem was that the Obama administration wanted a small force so that it could say it had ended the war. Having a very small American force wasn’t worth the domestic political price Maliki would have to pay for supporting their presence. In other words, it’s not correct that “the al-Maliki government wanted American troops to leave.”

      Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...atrick-brennan
      "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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      • #4
        But.... you just said that Maliki decided that a "small force" wasn't worth it to him. Did you not?

        Therefore, the Americans were asked to leave.... en toto.

        GG
        "The will of a section rooted in self interest, should not outweigh the vital interests of a whole people." -Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain-

        "Fanatics of any sort are dangerous." -GG-

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        • #5
          But BO said that he "ended" the war in Iraq? There is no need to send troops to fight a war that is over.


          After nearly 9 years, America's war in Iraq will be over," said Mr. Obama.
          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-an...e-by-year-end/


          So either he was wrong about the war being over and his actions made it worse, or he is involving us in a new war.
          Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

          Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
            But.... you just said that Maliki decided that a "small force" wasn't worth it to him. Did you not?
            GG
            The Pentagon estimated that well over 10,000 troops would be needed to maintain stability. President Obama ended offering 2,000-3,000. He promised the unwashed masses that he would get all troops out of Iraq. He did that but we are now seeing the costs of the foolish political campaign promise.

            That is like being told that you have a platoon defensive sector to cover but you only have a two man LP/OP to cover the ground.

            What choice did Maliki have but to say no?
            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
              The Pentagon estimated that well over 10,000 troops would be needed to maintain stability. President Obama ended offering 2,000-3,000. He promised the unwashed masses that he would get all troops out of Iraq. He did that but we are now seeing the costs of the foolish political campaign promise.

              That is like being told that you have a platoon defensive sector to cover but you only have a two man LP/OP to cover the ground.

              What choice did Maliki have but to say no?
              Fact remains that Makili "removed" the Americans from his Country. Yes?

              GG
              "The will of a section rooted in self interest, should not outweigh the vital interests of a whole people." -Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain-

              "Fanatics of any sort are dangerous." -GG-

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                But BO said that he "ended" the war in Iraq? There is no need to send troops to fight a war that is over.


                After nearly 9 years, America's war in Iraq will be over," said Mr. Obama.
                http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-an...e-by-year-end/


                So either he was wrong about the war being over and his actions made it worse, or he is involving us in a new war.
                BoBo "wrong"? Could it be possible?!
                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
                  Fact remains that Makili "removed" the Americans from his Country. Yes?

                  GG
                  Yes, and therefore Iraq can fight for itself. It did so against Iran for a long time.
                  Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Yes, and therefore Iraq can fight for itself. It did so against Iran for a long time.
                    Amen to that!

                    GG
                    "The will of a section rooted in self interest, should not outweigh the vital interests of a whole people." -Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain-

                    "Fanatics of any sort are dangerous." -GG-

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
                      Just to clarify.... Is this the same Iraq that couldn't WAIT to get rid of us a couple of years ago?

                      If so, what goes around, comes around. Ya just gotta love the irony of that.

                      GG

                      p.s. As an aside.... why is it that we are only "wanted" when the situation is going to s... in a hurry? Seems a bit one sided to me.
                      Iraq is not a monolith so you cannot say "Iraq" did not want us around. It was the Maliki government who did not want us around, and that blunder cost him his job.

                      Tuebor

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tuebor View Post
                        Iraq is not a monolith so you cannot say "Iraq" did not want us around. It was the Maliki government who did not want us around, and that blunder cost him his job.

                        Tuebor
                        This is totally unverifiable, but..... I suspect that the rank and file Iraqi wanted us there about as much as a case of cholera.

                        Just sayin'.

                        GG
                        "The will of a section rooted in self interest, should not outweigh the vital interests of a whole people." -Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain-

                        "Fanatics of any sort are dangerous." -GG-

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                        • #13
                          Less...we are those filthy infidels they have been led to hate all of their lives, fouling their "sacred lands".

                          So let 'em fight and die for "their sacred lands" all by themselves. Allah wills it...
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Grognard Gunny View Post
                            Fact remains that Makili "removed" the Americans from his Country. Yes?

                            GG
                            Wrong fact; President Obama "removed" the troops, not Makili. If Obama would have listened to his military advisors, he would have left well over 10,000 troops there, Makili would have had no problems with that.

                            President Obama clearly stated:

                            That he took the troops out of Iraq.

                            That he ended the war in Iraq.

                            That al-Qaeda was on the run.

                            That ISIS was a JV team.

                            All in a bid to get re-elected.
                            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                              Wrong fact; President Obama "removed" the troops, not Makili. If Obama would have listened to his military advisors, he would have left well over 10,000 troops there, Makili would have had no problems with that.

                              President Obama clearly stated:

                              That he took the troops out of Iraq.

                              That he ended the war in Iraq.

                              That al-Qaeda was on the run.

                              That ISIS was a JV team.

                              All in a bid to get re-elected.
                              Which worked pretty well.

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