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    So Sanders could win the popular vote but the Super Delegates can decide otherwise......

    The Republicans are probably wishing that they had the same power.

    Bernie Sanders lost by a hair in Iowa and won by a landslide in New Hampshire. Yet Hillary Clinton has amassed an enormous 350-delegate advantage over the Vermont senator after just two states.

    Outraged by that disconnect – which is fueled by Clinton’s huge advantage with Democratic superdelegates, who are not bound by voting results – Sanders supporters are fighting back.


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz43A8RS3EL
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    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    By time this election cycle is over people are going to be much better informed.
    We hunt the hunters

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nichols View Post
      So Sanders could win the popular vote but the Super Delegates can decide otherwise......

      The Republicans are probably wishing that they had the same power.

      Bernie Sanders lost by a hair in Iowa and won by a landslide in New Hampshire. Yet Hillary Clinton has amassed an enormous 350-delegate advantage over the Vermont senator after just two states.

      Outraged by that disconnect – which is fueled by Clinton’s huge advantage with Democratic superdelegates, who are not bound by voting results – Sanders supporters are fighting back.


      Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz43A8RS3EL
      Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook
      Well, except for the fact that he losing the popular vote by a wide margin, then yes. Look at the date on the story: 02/14/16 06:34 PM EST

      Mid Feb. Not even remotely possible now.
      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
      “To talk of many things:
      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
      Of cabbages—and kings—
      And why the sea is boiling hot—
      And whether pigs have wings.”
      ― Lewis Carroll

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
        Well, except for the fact that he losing the popular vote by a wide margin, then yes. Look at the date on the story: 02/14/16 06:34 PM EST

        Mid Feb. Not even remotely possible now.
        You must have missed the topic; Super Delegates.

        Right now Clinton has 1119 delegates to Sanders 813

        There are a total of 4051 Delegates the winner will need 2,382.

        Throw in the Super Delegates and the numbers change dramatically:

        Clinton has 467, Sanders has 26.

        As I said in the OP, the Super Delegates can decide who gets the nomination.....doesn't matter what the people want.

        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ate_count.html

        The Republicans will be doing the same thing if they have a brokered convention.
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nichols View Post
          You must have missed the topic; Super Delegates.

          Right now Clinton has 1119 delegates to Sanders 813

          There are a total of 4051 Delegates the winner will need 2,382.

          Throw in the Super Delegates and the numbers change dramatically:

          Clinton has 467, Sanders has 26.

          As I said in the OP, the Super Delegates can decide who gets the nomination.....doesn't matter what the people want.

          http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ate_count.html

          The Republicans will be doing the same thing if they have a brokered convention.
          Read the opening line of your post:

          Sanders could win the popular vote but the Super Delegates can decide otherwise......
          You started out the topic saying Sen Sanders could win the popular vote and yet not get enough delegates because of the Superdelegates. I simply pointed out that that was not even a remote possibility. She is way ahead in all three categories. Popular vote, REGULAR delegates and superdelegates.

          Clinton will have enough delegates without ANY superdelegates way before the convention. Simple math.

          The Dem convention will be the standard convention that we always see. Nothing contested and the result firmly in hand a couple months before the convention.
          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
          “To talk of many things:
          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
          And whether pigs have wings.”
          ― Lewis Carroll

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
            Well, except for the fact that he losing the popular vote by a wide margin, then yes. Look at the date on the story: 02/14/16 06:34 PM EST

            Mid Feb. Not even remotely possible now.
            Actually, except for the super delegates that the party chooses, Hillary would have been losing badly going into super Tuesday and is only just over 300 delegates ahead out of a total of over 2000 available.

            So, Sanders is doing very well in the popular vote but has picked up next to nothing in super delegates which consist of nearly 30% of the total. All those are going to party insider Hillary.

            Basically, Sander's supporters are right: The Democrat party is choosing their candidate not the rank and file membership. The popular vote isn't deciding the outcome the way it is in the Republican primary system. How usual that the Democrats would decided in a backroom cabal who is nominated and what the party will do.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
              Simple math.

              Yes, it is simple math.....I wish you would try it.

              Again, here is the current delegate count:

              Right now Clinton has 1119 delegates to Sanders 813

              Throw in the super delegates that vote twice....(so much for one vote)...and the numbers swing greatly in favor towards Clinton.

              The 2008 Democratic Convention should give you a Clue; Obama had more delegates than Clinton but not enough to secure the nomination. The twice voting super delegates are what gave him the nomination.

              Sanders is only 306 delegates behind Clinton with each caucus & primary he has been getting an increasing percentage of delegates. There is still 28 left before the convention......

              Do the simple math....
              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                Actually, except for the super delegates that the party chooses, Hillary would have been losing badly going into super Tuesday and is only just over 300 delegates ahead out of a total of over 2000 available.

                So, Sanders is doing very well in the popular vote but has picked up next to nothing in super delegates which consist of nearly 30% of the total. All those are going to party insider Hillary.

                Basically, Sander's supporters are right: The Democrat party is choosing their candidate not the rank and file membership. The popular vote isn't deciding the outcome the way it is in the Republican primary system. How usual that the Democrats would decided in a backroom cabal who is nominated and what the party will do.
                Sen Sanders is over 2.5 million votes behind in the popular vote.

                http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html

                RCP Total - Clinton 8,651,128 Sanders 6,111,918
                Diffeence = Clinton +2,539,210

                Facts and figures show your idea is false. Try again.
                “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                “To talk of many things:
                Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                Of cabbages—and kings—
                And why the sea is boiling hot—
                And whether pigs have wings.”
                ― Lewis Carroll

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                  Yes, it is simple math.....I wish you would try it.

                  Again, here is the current delegate count:

                  Right now Clinton has 1119 delegates to Sanders 813

                  Throw in the super delegates that vote twice....(so much for one vote)...and the numbers swing greatly in favor towards Clinton.

                  The 2008 Democratic Convention should give you a Clue; Obama had more delegates than Clinton but not enough to secure the nomination. The twice voting super delegates are what gave him the nomination.

                  Sanders is only 306 delegates behind Clinton with each caucus & primary he has been getting an increasing percentage of delegates. There is still 28 left before the convention......

                  Do the simple math....
                  Once again you totally disregard the subject sentence of your opening statement. Popular vote.
                  “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                  “To talk of many things:
                  Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                  Of cabbages—and kings—
                  And why the sea is boiling hot—
                  And whether pigs have wings.”
                  ― Lewis Carroll

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                    Once again you totally disregard the subject sentence of your opening statement. Popular vote.
                    Once again, you are ignoring the math....


                    Sanders is only 306 delegates behind Clinton with each caucus & primary he has been getting an increasing percentage of delegates. There is still 28 left before the convention......

                    Percentages increasing......do the math..
                    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                      Once again, you are ignoring the math....


                      Sanders is only 306 delegates behind Clinton with each caucus & primary he has been getting an increasing percentage of delegates. There is still 28 left before the convention......

                      Percentages increasing......do the math..
                      Still no mention of your subject...... 2.5 million ahead on popular vote. admit your idea is not possible. Go back to your subject sentence.

                      So Sanders could win the popular vote but the Super Delegates can decide otherwise......
                      Simply false.
                      “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                      “To talk of many things:
                      Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                      Of cabbages—and kings—
                      And why the sea is boiling hot—
                      And whether pigs have wings.”
                      ― Lewis Carroll

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                      • #12
                        Actually Sanders has better chances of winning with the states that are still to come. Much of Clinton's support strength has already voted for her, the southern states as an example; Sanders knew he wasn't going to do well in the South and didn't spend an excessive amount of energy there. His better showing is still to come I imagine.
                        BoRG
                        "... and that was the last time they called me Freakboy Moses"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Nichols View Post
                          Once again, you are ignoring the math....


                          Sanders is only 306 delegates behind Clinton with each caucus & primary he has been getting an increasing percentage of delegates. There is still 28 left before the convention......

                          Percentages increasing......do the math..
                          http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ets/democrats/

                          The data excludes superdelegates. Sen Sanders is under performing and Mrs Clinton is over performing in the race.
                          “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                          “To talk of many things:
                          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                          Of cabbages—and kings—
                          And why the sea is boiling hot—
                          And whether pigs have wings.”
                          ― Lewis Carroll

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arthwys View Post
                            Actually Sanders has better chances of winning with the states that are still to come. Much of Clinton's support strength has already voted for her, the southern states as an example; Sanders knew he wasn't going to do well in the South and didn't spend an excessive amount of energy there. His better showing is still to come I imagine.
                            He is going to get a small blip in some near states like Wisconsin, Idaho, etc. After that she takes off again.
                            “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                            “To talk of many things:
                            Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                            Of cabbages—and kings—
                            And why the sea is boiling hot—
                            And whether pigs have wings.”
                            ― Lewis Carroll

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                              Still no mention of your subject...... 2.5 million ahead on popular vote. admit your idea is not possible. Go back to your subject sentence.
                              I have only talked about the subject.

                              Again, do the math:

                              "Sanders is only 306 delegates behind Clinton with each caucus & primary he has been getting an increasing percentage of delegates. There is still 28 left before the convention......"

                              Sander's percentages have been increasing, Clinton's has been decreasing.....really, it is simple math.

                              Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
                              Simply false.
                              You need to read up on why the Democrats came up with the 'Super Delegate.' You claiming that the super delegates can't decide the election shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.
                              "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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