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  • Seriously, what is up with all the Nazi hysteria?

    It seems that as of late we've been swimming in a sea of Godwin's Law re: Trump. Much like Russia when confronted with criticism, critics have been seeing Nazis in their breakfast cereal. I expected the left to follow this route but I've noticed even some further to the right are getting on board. And TBH it really perplexes me.

    Nazi and Fascist have been the mainstays of sophomoric rhetoric. Fascist is usually college kid for "authority figure" and Nazi college kid for "political party I dislike". Once you trot it out it is generally understood that you have nothing to go on. It's the last ditch claim of the desperate.

    What has me so perplexed is the fact that there are LOADS of reasons to dislike Trump. There are so SO many issues with what he is saying. Yet in spite of this many people are running for the Nazi narrative. Why go for the argument of eye rolling desperation when there are so many serious issues to bring up?
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
    What has me so perplexed is the fact that there are LOADS of reasons to dislike Trump. There are so SO many issues with what he is saying. Yet in spite of this many people are running for the Nazi narrative. Why go for the argument of eye rolling desperation when there are so many serious issues to bring up?
    Maybe because so many people are trapped psychologically in junior high. It's the same reason that so many concentrated on Obama being Kenyan or Muslim, instead of the fact that he never did anything in the Senate and became a lousy president.
    It's easier to call names and insults than to have intelligent conversation.

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    • #3
      I wouldn't compare Trump to Hitler right now, but his vitriol and the absence of any real substance in his speeches are attributes I also associate with Hitler. I do think he's a fascist, and here's why:

      1. Suppression of opposition and criticism - Trump's tactics in addressing people who take a shot at him are designed not only to crush the opposition, but incite others to do so as well.
      2. He's undeniably nationalistic, describing the U.S. as a whipping post for other countries and himself as the answer to solve that...by any means necessary.
      3.Trump makes sweeping generalizations about large groups of people that are untrue. (All Mexicans this..., All Muslims this...)

      This topic is an area I've spent a lot of time reading about. After doing some research, I came across this link: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm. Of course, not all of these characteristics apply to Trump. Some of them apply to Trump in the context of our society and what he supports. Enough of them apply to Trump right now that I don't see how anyone can act like they have no earthly idea why Trump is being compared to a fascist.

      Of course, the wildcard in all of this is: What would he actually do? Since he has no history of elected office, we're left to wonder. At the end of the day, maybe he is a fascist and maybe he's not. I don't think its a bad thing that some Americans are engaged in genuine, respectful debate about what fascism looks like in this age and in this country.

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      • #4
        When you start to proclaim anyone that opposes you terrorists without any evidence it is indicative of possible future actions as a government official:

        http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...otester-2016-3

        He is also is supporting the supporter who committed violence on a protester:

        https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump...162717932.html

        If this also indicative of possible future actions, one can speculate he will pardon massacres.

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        • #5
          This is what happens when the Progressive Left perceives a threat to their dogma by an non-Leftist, particularly one that is pretty vocal and successful. They start going off the deep end in hysterical, hair-on-fire, mouth frothing lunacy. You can go to any university campus and watch this happen. No, I can't explain it, but that's how it is. I was pointing it out earlier. The number of columns and news articles proclaiming "Stop Trump," "We've got to rein in Trump!" are multiplying daily. The Left is in a total lather over his actually gaining traction.

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          • #6
            The next president will nominate a supreme court justice. Do we really want trump to do that? Our property rights will go flushing down the toilet, as will many other issues that big business want to crush us with.

            This is a bigger issue than his hand size. I don't trust him at all. That all this minutia is in the forefront and not the real issues troubles me. Just say no to trump. He's not what your hoping for...
            Credo quia absurdum.


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            • #7
              Because he's exhibiting behavior and rhetoric that's comparable to Hitler. Simple. While that doesn't mean the similarities were intended, to ignore their existence would be extremely ignorant and irresponsible.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Biscuit View Post
                This topic is an area I've spent a lot of time reading about. After doing some research, I came across this link: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm. Of course, not all of these characteristics apply to Trump. Some of them apply to Trump in the context of our society and what he supports. Enough of them apply to Trump right now that I don't see how anyone can act like they have no earthly idea why Trump is being compared to a fascist.
                That article is mistaken in a number of areas.

                8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
                Not true. Religion was not a serious part of the Nazi, Italian, or Spanish fascism, nor has it been anywhere else.

                9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
                Not completely true. Fascists are willing to move to Socialism and nationalize corporations when necessary or desired. In fact, Statist Capitalism is a often defining mark of Fascist government. That is, corporations retain private ownership but the government is the one calling all the shots.

                10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
                Not entirely true. Unions are often put under government control and worker participation is made mandatory as it facilitates the government controlling the work force.

                11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
                This is not unique to fascism. Almost any dictatorship will repress freedom of expression.

                12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
                This is common to dictatorships too be they military juntas, fascists, communists, strongman warlords, or any other form of dictatorship.

                13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
                Again, common to any sort of dictatorship and not unique to fascists.

                14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
                Same thing again. Not unique to fascist governments. In fact, it is more a defining characteristic of dictatorships in general.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                  Because he's exhibiting behavior and rhetoric that's comparable to Hitler. Simple. While that doesn't mean the similarities were intended, to ignore their existence would be extremely ignorant and irresponsible.
                  Give us some examples please...

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                  • #10
                    I think it is because they actually see him as Hitler which is just a reflection of the kind of wimps we have become. People are afraid of their own shadows these days. If they are not afraid they are offended or hurt.

                    The new meme from the left is we need a "gifting economy". This is coming from people that have never done an honest days work in their lives. They neither appreciate the garbage person, the farmer, the truck driver, or any of the people that make their soft lives possible nor do they understand how an economy works. They are like little kids who have no idea what the real cost of anything is or where it comes from.

                    Domestication is fine but one of the features of domestication is a smaller brain and the human brain has been shrinking. Another feature of domestication is perpetual immaturity. IQs maybe 15 points higher than grandpaws but the kind of adult ability to predict the consequence of decisions is sliding.

                    Competition has become a dirty word. It may be fine to limit aggression but there is a price to be paid. When you start filling jobs based on "emotional intelligence" not analytical skills you will quickly find that not only the efficiency of your organization will decline but innovation will become detached from any utility.

                    Almost every advancement we have made in recent years has come with an unnecessary cost. Addressing poverty has destroyed the family and consequently the community. People who want to fight the "rape culture" have turned it into guilty until proven innocent throwing away generations of cultural evolution in law. Respect for other peoples has turned into cultural suicide in places like Sweden. Being polite now means asking which of 40 sexual identities a person wishes to be addressed by. Being against racism now means that some very inoffensive people are inherently evil and must be reeducated or marginalized. Being for social justice now means it is ok to slander people you don't agree with and try to get them fired from their jobs. Being for peace means you have to be against every system that maintains it. Being politically correct means that you are for equality even if it interferes with equal rights. The list goes on but you get the idea.

                    If you don't see how we are headed for 1984 then I don't know what else to say.

                    Underneath this cultural suicide our people like Noam Chomsky who would like nothing better than to see the U.S. destroy itself from within. Very pleasant polite chaps that see nothing wrong with double speak as long as the unwashed masses do as they believe they should do. The problem is that these people are so divorced from reality that almost every decision they would make for society comes with unbearable cost and are themselves highly divisive. The depth to which this childish philosophy has permeated society is hard to underestimate.

                    Narcissistic, pathological, empathetic, altruism is hard to understand for many people. People confuse having good intentions with actual workable solutions to problems. They also confuse empathy with an actual concern for others when it may be nothing more than self indulgences and laziness. We need to stamp out this disease.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                      Give us some examples please...
                      For what? We've already been through this in other threads.

                      The special id/database for muslims.
                      Blaming minorities for America's issue with violence.
                      Indiscriminately murdering innocent individuals based on their religious affiliation.

                      There are some similarities in the way he runs his campaign as well.
                      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                      - Benjamin Franklin

                      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                        For what? We've already been through this in other threads.

                        The special id/database for muslims.
                        Blaming minorities for America's issue with violence.
                        Indiscriminately murdering innocent individuals based on their religious affiliation.

                        There are some similarities in the way he runs his campaign as well.
                        Pifft!

                        That hardly reaches the level of the Nazis...

                        Come on, the US in WW 2 interned US citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian origin... Mostly Japanese.
                        The government also interned lots of German and Italian immigrants and foreign nationals. Some were held in camps into the 50's.

                        Blaming one minority or another for some domestic issue is hardly something new in American history. If it wasn't the Blacks, it was the Italians, Germans, Irish, Hessians, you-name-it. That hardly rises to the level of Nazi activity. Look at the Left... They tout openly "White Privilege" and call for all sorts of action against Whites based on that.

                        Indiscriminately? More like calling for the US to wage war rather than act as if the military were a police force. The Russians are getting further in Syria than we are because Syrians know they mean business. It's either sign a peace agreement with us and keep it or we'll come and flatten your F....ing town.
                        I'd say in war violence and believable threats of violence go a long way to winning. That's hardly something Nazi either.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          That article is mistaken in a number of areas.



                          Not true. Religion was not a serious part of the Nazi, Italian, or Spanish fascism, nor has it been anywhere else.

                          I've having trouble finding any real supporting evidence, but I would have thought that the Nazis would have controlled religion in order to more holistically control the people. Did they just shut the churches down? or use them as puppets under their control?

                          Not completely true. Fascists are willing to move to Socialism and nationalize corporations when necessary or desired. In fact, Statist Capitalism is a often defining mark of Fascist government. That is, corporations retain private ownership but the government is the one calling all the shots.

                          What is the motivation for the corporation owners? That sounds like a trainwreck.

                          Not entirely true. Unions are often put under government control and worker participation is made mandatory as it facilitates the government controlling the work force.

                          So the government just absorbs the union, leaving the facade in place while they control the strings?
                          It sounds like you're pretty informed. Do you have a certain book to recommend?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                            For what? We've already been through this in other threads.

                            The special id/database for muslims.
                            Blaming minorities for America's issue with violence.
                            Indiscriminately murdering innocent individuals based on their religious affiliation.

                            There are some similarities in the way he runs his campaign as well.
                            Pretty minor issues considering western civilization is at stake. Your side created this mess so don't blame Trump.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Pifft!

                              Indiscriminately? More like calling for the US to wage war rather than act as if the military were a police force. The Russians are getting further in Syria than we are because Syrians know they mean business. It's either sign a peace agreement with us and keep it or we'll come and flatten your F....ing town.
                              I'd say in war violence and believable threats of violence go a long way to winning. That's hardly something Nazi either.
                              Here, here. War is something nasty and should be avoided. This trend of making it antiseptic and clean doesn't make our enemies fear us. You win wars by smashing your enemy, not by playing patty cakes.

                              This is one of the biggest problem that confronts us, do you really think isis would last a moment if we seriously went to war with them? The libbies would have us think that we can win the enemy over by being nice. That is insanity.
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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