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  • wolfhnd
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    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
    Easy there, I guess I'm the one who struck a nerve

    I wasn't directing any 'hate" just noting that your sense of Trump's martyrdom has caused you to advance a bizarre argument.

    In fact I would be happy to concede that if Trump had raised this proposal some would use it as an excuse to talk again about real or imagined racism. But it would be because it would be raised in the context of his other comments and now any comments he makes will be seen against that background.

    As for me personally, I haven't decided whether Trump is actually racists or not. I don't know because I simply can't credit anything he says on any topic. His actual tactic is more of pandering. Makes an blanket statement about illegal immigrants criminals or banning Muslims in order to give an "I'm one of you" nod to the xenophobes and then backtracks, qualifies and whines about being picked on.


    If he had actually come out and said "I hate all black people" I would simply wonder who he was pandering to and I would give it as much weight as his comment that "I am the least racist person you have ever met"


    But the problem with pandering of that kind is now becoming apparent. His glib "saying it like it is" attitude means that he may have ruined his campaign by making him the poster boy for both extremes and thus a symbol of ugly divisiveness.

    Trump supporters of course will whine and say it is all so unfair, but it was a dangerous political game he was playing and this is a predictable result.

    The passive aggressive tactic is a well known and discredit form of discourse. So is propaganda which constantly repeats the same foolishness until someone bites.

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  • hawker_gb
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    People, you must understand there is huge number of Afghans and Iraqi refugees,Syrians is practically minority.

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  • BF69
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    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
    Easy there, I guess I'm the one who struck a nerve

    I wasn't directing any 'hate" just noting that your sense of Trump's martyrdom has caused you to advance a bizarre argument.


    Funny, ain't it.

    As for me personally, I haven't decided whether Trump is actually racists or not. I don't know because I simply can't credit anything he says on any topic. His actual tactic is more of pandering. Makes an blanket statement about illegal immigrants criminals or banning Muslims in order to give an "I'm one of you" nod to the xenophobes and then backtracks, qualifies and whines about being picked on.

    If he had actually come out and said "I hate all black people" I would simply wonder who he was pandering to and I would give it as much weight as his comment that "I am the least racist person you have ever met"
    Agree. If he said the sky was blue I still look out the window to make sure. If he thought saying the sky was green would win him votes he'd do it.

    Hunter S. Thompson famously said Bill Clinton: "Bill Clinton would have played the Jew's harp stark naked on 60 Minutes if he thought it would help him get elected. He is the Willy Loman of Generation X, a traveling salesman from Arkansas who has the loyalty of a lizard with its tail broken off and the midnight taste of a man who'd double-date with the Rev. Jimmy Swaggart."

    Trump is worse. So much worse.

    But the problem with pandering of that kind is now becoming apparent. His glib "saying it like it is" attitude means that he may have ruined his campaign by making him the poster boy for both extremes and thus a symbol of ugly divisiveness.

    Trump supporters of course will whine and say it is all so unfair, but it was a dangerous political game he was playing and this is a predictable result.
    The stupid thing is that having unexpectedly got himself into a position to win the GOP nomination he runs the risk of scaring off independents who might vote for him by overdoing the populism. Tapping into anger is always a fine line, and he's in danger of falling on the 'extremist' side.

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  • Gixxer86g
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    If these "Young Syrian Men" had what it takes to be trained and fight for their freedom why did they flee in the first place?
    Maybe they are trained, and are simply redeploying. This "migration" is a perfect way to move whole units.

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    While your mental and semantic gymnastics are sometimes entertaining, it still leaves the question; why do you think everything has to be turned upside-down before it can be approved for the consumption of the masses?

    What I said was if trump had said this, he would have been called a racist... and then the other usual pejoratives.
    And damn, it does look as if I struck a nerve here, from the hate directed straight at me on the previous page.




    So, huh?
    You would approve if not for.... what?

    Got some quotes to toss out so I can go back and find the true context and full quote, instead of the media-redacted and politically approved version?
    What hate directed straight at you? You said someone was stalking you and were then asked how, especially given that they had not even engaged with you. That seems to be your definition of hate.

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  • lynelhutz
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    While your mental and semantic gymnastics are sometimes entertaining, it still leaves the question; why do you think everything has to be turned upside-down before it can be approved for the consumption of the masses?

    What I said was if trump had said this, he would have been called a racist... and then the other usual pejoratives.
    And damn, it does look as if I struck a nerve here, from the hate directed straight at me on the previous page.



    Easy there, I guess I'm the one who struck a nerve

    I wasn't directing any 'hate" just noting that your sense of Trump's martyrdom has caused you to advance a bizarre argument.

    In fact I would be happy to concede that if Trump had raised this proposal some would use it as an excuse to talk again about real or imagined racism. But it would be because it would be raised in the context of his other comments and now any comments he makes will be seen against that background.

    As for me personally, I haven't decided whether Trump is actually racists or not. I don't know because I simply can't credit anything he says on any topic. His actual tactic is more of pandering. Makes an blanket statement about illegal immigrants criminals or banning Muslims in order to give an "I'm one of you" nod to the xenophobes and then backtracks, qualifies and whines about being picked on.


    If he had actually come out and said "I hate all black people" I would simply wonder who he was pandering to and I would give it as much weight as his comment that "I am the least racist person you have ever met"


    But the problem with pandering of that kind is now becoming apparent. His glib "saying it like it is" attitude means that he may have ruined his campaign by making him the poster boy for both extremes and thus a symbol of ugly divisiveness.

    Trump supporters of course will whine and say it is all so unfair, but it was a dangerous political game he was playing and this is a predictable result.

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
    Because the OP is trying a bizarre way of arguing that Trump is not racist apparently based on whether or not something said by Polish Minister is racist or not.
    While your mental and semantic gymnastics are sometimes entertaining, it still leaves the question; why do you think everything has to be turned upside-down before it can be approved for the consumption of the masses?

    What I said was if trump had said this, he would have been called a racist... and then the other usual pejoratives.
    And damn, it does look as if I struck a nerve here, from the hate directed straight at me on the previous page.


    Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
    As for the proposal, creating a militia of expats to re-enter the conflict may have some merit.

    And if that is all Trump had said that would fine. But of course that is not all Trump says.
    So, huh?
    You would approve if not for.... what?

    Got some quotes to toss out so I can go back and find the true context and full quote, instead of the media-redacted and politically approved version?

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  • lynelhutz
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    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
    What is a thread about the Polish Foreign Minister's view of Syrian refugees in Europe doing in the North America section?
    Because the OP is trying a bizarre way of arguing that Trump is not racist apparently based on whether or not something said by Polish Minister is racist or not.

    As for the proposal, creating a militia of expats to re-enter the conflict may have some merit.

    And if that is all Trump had said that would fine. But of course that is not all Trump says.

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  • BF69
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    What is a thread about the Polish Foreign Minister's view of Syrian refugees in Europe doing in the North America section?

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    If these "Young Syrian Men" had what it takes to be trained and fight for their freedom why did they flee in the first place?
    Lack of discipline and leadership. I think this idea has merit. The problem would arise when you started "drafting" (eg., rounding them up) them to become troops. I could see the protesters coming out in hordes. That's not to mention all the hand wringing and whining the bleeding heart types would spew into the media.

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    I guess the word "you" is beyond your understanding of the English language.
    As are so many other concepts, such as;
    Originally posted by The Exorcist View Post
    Its just anther personal attack from that guy at me, with NOTHING to do with the OP, the subject in general or anything else, really. I have him on ignore but Jeez, what's it gonna take?
    Its like he's stalking me full-time now. Am I even allowed just the occasional post in this section , or what?

    One thing at a time. That was your comment - he made no comment to you or about you. That is not stalking.

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  • The Exorcist
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    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    I know it is horrendous - I mean he not only did not say anything to you-
    I guess the word "you" is beyond your understanding of the English language.
    As are so many other concepts, such as;

    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    Once again plenty of Syrians seem to have died fighting for the regime in the civil war which seems to call your claim into question somewhat.
    Germany has "lost track" of 130,000 of the muslims that have crashed into that country. Just that many armed and trained men would be enough to turn the tide, one way or another, and that is just a fraction of the Syrians that have entered the EU one way or another in the last year. The overwhelming majority of them are men of military age.
    IMHO, it should not matter to a Syrian which way it goes, more important should be simply ending a civil war that has gone on so long that even the records that could tell us who these people ARE have been destroyed.

    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    Those are tribal disputes when it happens in the Middle East whereas groups of people fighting elsewhere are what - legitimate expressions of national and sovereign interests?
    That is one doozy of a lop-sided sentence, what is it supposed to be asking?
    Are Tribal conflicts supposed to mean more than national wars? More than "wiping Israel off the face of the map", perhaps?
    Maybe you can tell us what role that plays in the Syrian war, instead of just leave it hanging if you don't actually know?

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    They have been dying for 15 hundred years over what amounts to tribal disputes. You could at least try to understand the people you are engaging with.
    Once again plenty of Syrians seem to have died fighting for the regime in the civil war which seems to call your claim into question somewhat. Or who is they?

    Those are tribal disputes when it happens in the Middle East whereas groups of people fighting elsewhere are what - legitimate expressions of national and sovereign interests?

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  • wolfhnd
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    Originally posted by Sergio View Post
    You mean aside from all of those Syrians who have fought and died serving in the regimes armed forces? Who is they by the way?
    They have been dying for 15 hundred years over what amounts to tribal disputes. You could at least try to understand the people you are engaging with.

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  • Sergio
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    Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
    Part of their cultural heritage is as follows. Me against my brother, my brother and me against our father, our family against the tribe and our tribe against the rest of the world. You cannot make an army out of people who have this tradition without some overarching ideology such as religion. The idea of a secular state worth fighting for has to first infect their brains.

    You can't attack their religion by logic because it is an extended tribe but you can see cracks in the religion by their love of material luxuries. Gives them a country that is worth fighting for and they will fight.
    You mean aside from all of those Syrians who have fought and died serving in the regimes armed forces? Who is they by the way?

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