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  • Two Catholic Priests Shielded Hundreds Of Abuses

    But there is no "statue of limitations" on action by the Pope...so we'll see if he can clean up his church.

    Two Catholic bishops who led a small Pennsylvania diocese helped cover up the sexual abuse of hundreds of children by more than 50 priests and other religious leaders over a 40-year period, according to a grand jury report that portrays the church as holding such sway over law enforcement that it helped select a police chief.
    The 147-page report issued Tuesday on sexual abuse in the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese, home to nearly 100,000 Roman Catholics, was based partly on evidence from a secret diocesan archive opened through a search warrant over the summer.
    In announcing the findings, Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane said the diocese's two previous bishops "placed their desire to avoid public scandal over the well-being of children."
    No criminal charges are being filed in the case because some abusers have died, the statute of limitations has expired, or victims are too traumatized to testify, she said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/01...ury-finds.html
    Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

  • #2
    Sick.

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    • #3
      Now this could just be more political correctness gone mad but when a for profit organization calculates risks they may be somewhat trustworthy. It is also true that they may not want to offend their biggest client but the following article is food for thought.

      "“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

      Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

      “Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall."

      http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/201...lic-clergy/39/
      We hunt the hunters

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      • #4
        There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic

        http://shoebat.com/2014/05/06/sexual...ches-catholic/
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        • #5
          Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
          Now this could just be more political correctness gone mad but when a for profit organization calculates risks they may be somewhat trustworthy. It is also true that they may not want to offend their biggest client but the following article is food for thought.

          "“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

          Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

          “Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall."

          http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/201...lic-clergy/39/
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Since only the Catholics require their priests to not marry and be celibate I suspect that they draw a certain weird class of people. Humans are sexual creatures and to deny that fundamental need leads to perversions. Also the Bible says to be a preacher you must be married, have kids that are well mannered, ect.

            So I'm not surprised that they have twisted people in their ministry. If you have a healthy sex life your less likely to look elsewhere...
            Credo quia absurdum.


            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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            • #7
              Are the Protestant churches covering up the problem like the Catholic Church? I see this as a diversionary tactic. What is wrong with making the problem less common among Catholic Church "employees"?

              Pruitt
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                Since only the Catholics require their priests to not marry and be celibate I suspect that they draw a certain weird class of people. Humans are sexual creatures and to deny that fundamental need leads to perversions. Also the Bible says to be a preacher you must be married, have kids that are well mannered, ect.

                So I'm not surprised that they have twisted people in their ministry. If you have a healthy sex life your less likely to look elsewhere...
                "There is "no evidence that someone choosing to live a lifestyle that precludes sexual relationships has any bearing on them becoming a child molester," says Gail Ryan of the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Colorado-Denver. "Many people don't have regular sexual relationships, and they don't go out and molest children.""

                http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/...pedophilia.htm


                "Approximately 30% of children who are sexually abused are abused by family members"

                "The younger the child victim, the more likely it is that the perpetrator is a juvenile. Juveniles are the offenders in 43% of assaults on children under age six. Of these offenders, 14% are under age 12.9"

                http://www.d2l.org/atf/cf/%7B64AF78C...s_20150619.pdf

                The statistics are fairly limited but hopefully that will change.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  Please provide some professional reference that argue that the problem of child abuse is more prevalent in Catholic Priests than in other Clergy.

                  The available evidence suggest that Priest make up a small proportion of the total number of child abuse cases. A lot of this evidence is not the result of serious studies but the testimony of people that work in areas where they come across child victims.

                  The Catholic church has come under a lot of criticism for not reporting abusing priest but sex offenders in the priesthood likely use the church laws against it by confessing. The sanctity of the confessional is not only church law which makes it impossible for other priest to report them but is recognized by most civil authorities. In a criminal matters, a priest may encourage the penitent to surrender to authorities. However, this is the extent of the leverage he wields. He may not directly or indirectly disclose the matter to civil authorities himself in many countries.

                  "Louisiana law can’t force Catholic priests to violate the seal of the confessional, a judge in the state reaffirmed on Friday.

                  State District Judge Mike Caldwell said in court Feb. 26 that a state law requiring clergy to report sex abuse of minors violated a priest’s religious freedom protections for confidential confessions."

                  http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/ne...e-rules-70940/


                  This is something that the supreme court should consider but the same problem exists for doctors and lawyers as well.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                    Since only the Catholics require their priests to not marry and be celibate .
                    And it isn't even a doctrine only a discipline, and one introduced in the 11th century for political reasons as much as religious so the guy at the top in the 21st century could change it in the same way as the bloke in the 11th century introduced it.
                    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pruitt View Post
                      Are the Protestant churches covering up the problem like the Catholic Church? I see this as a diversionary tactic. What is wrong with making the problem less common among Catholic Church "employees"?

                      Pruitt
                      Two problems I see which exacerbated the situation.

                      1. Bureaucracy. Protestant churches are usually independent entities. We may work together with other churches but each church functions like a city state. So if one of our own goes rogue A. everyone knows it and there's no chance for a cover up and B. our leadership system is beholden to voters and highly motivated to TCB if something like that were to come up. With the Catholic Church you have tiered leadership and the boss might not even live in your city. Greater distance and an autocratic election system means less accountability.

                      2. Infallibility. While Protestants see themselves as flawed human beings the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is God's right hand man. For much of history he was viewed as speaking for God and the priests were divine agents. When these sex abuse stories started popping up, that kind of challenges the notion of divine guidance and the leadership panicked and tried to preserve the image of perfection by shuffling the offenders around.

                      Protestant doctrine allows you to be wrong because you don't claim to speak for God. You're just making your own way and trying to follow the message. So if one of ours screws up or goes bad then that is on the him and not the doctrine whereas if you claim to speak for God and mess up then it hurts your theology because you're supposed to be perfect.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Pirateship1982 View Post
                        Two problems I see which exacerbated the situation.

                        1. Bureaucracy. Protestant churches are usually independent entities. We may work together with other churches but each church functions like a city state. So if one of our own goes rogue A. everyone knows it and there's no chance for a cover up and B. our leadership system is beholden to voters and highly motivated to TCB if something like that were to come up. With the Catholic Church you have tiered leadership and the boss might not even live in your city. Greater distance and an autocratic election system means less accountability.

                        2. Infallibility. While Protestants see themselves as flawed human beings the Catholic Church teaches that the Pope is God's right hand man. For much of history he was viewed as speaking for God and the priests were divine agents. When these sex abuse stories started popping up, that kind of challenges the notion of divine guidance and the leadership panicked and tried to preserve the image of perfection by shuffling the offenders around.

                        Protestant doctrine allows you to be wrong because you don't claim to speak for God. You're just making your own way and trying to follow the message. So if one of ours screws up or goes bad then that is on the him and not the doctrine whereas if you claim to speak for God and mess up then it hurts your theology because you're supposed to be perfect.
                        Honestly I would really like to see the statistics because often these kinds of things are difficult to predict.

                        Certainly Pruitt's point is valid because the OP only concerns the Catholic Church's behavior and my posts are something of a distraction but I was hoping that someone had more information than I could find.

                        Anyone that has read my post on other topics knows I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church. The tradition of anglo saxon prejudice against Catholicism however makes me suspicious that the focus on the Catholic church is not entirely a coincidence. Socialist also have a long history of antagonism against the Catholic Church in part because of the close relationship between the Church and secular authority. Painting priest as perverts serves a variety of political aims especially in this age in which patriarchal institutions are consider particularly heinous.

                        Having been raised Catholic and having close relations with dozens of priest I can say that I never saw any signs of improprieties. That kind of anecdotal evidence is of course useless. The only sexual abuse of childern I have personal knowledge of has been committed by other childern. Child on Child abuse is most likely even more under reported than when adults are involved so I think as a practical matter that numbers should determine the focus.

                        The fact that the sanctity of the confessional was not addressed in any of the replies is a bit disappointing to me. I'm interested in effective strategies to prevent child abuse not critiquing any particular institution but ignoring the internal structures of those institutions can lead to erroneous conclusions.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                          Since only the Catholics require their priests to not marry and be celibate I suspect that they draw a certain weird class of people. Humans are sexual creatures and to deny that fundamental need leads to perversions. Also the Bible says to be a preacher you must be married, have kids that are well mannered, ect.

                          So I'm not surprised that they have twisted people in their ministry. If you have a healthy sex life your less likely to look elsewhere...
                          ATTN: Bwaha

                          Pedophiles do not have "healthy sex lives", and if the Catholic nuns can handle celibacy...
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            ATTN: Bwaha

                            Pedophiles do not have "healthy sex lives", and if the Catholic nuns can handle celibacy...
                            I never claimed that they do. But if they were married and had a 'normal' sex life they'd be less likely to become pervs. And celibacy isn't a normal thing for a human being.
                            Credo quia absurdum.


                            Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                              And celibacy isn't a normal thing for a human being.
                              It is normal in the Catholic Church.

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