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  • #61
    Originally posted by Karri View Post
    Isn't that what every politician promises?
    Yes, but I don't think that was Snowygerry's point...Trumps mere presence in the race as a candidate is itself an anomaly. Conventional wisdom would say that he is not supposed to be there, nor doing so well.
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    • #62
      I understand that, but I don't think it's gonna change anything for the better. Rather it's a sign of impending collapse of the whole system.
      Wisdom is personal

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
        And that's precisely why voting for Trump is something to be considered -

        while I wouldn't trust him to hold my baby while my house was on fire, he may just be your best chance to upset the establishment and end the everlasting-see-saw between the Republican and Democrat establishment.

        And I'm sure we can all agree EVERY political establishment deserves a swift kick in the balls once every 8 years or so
        While I agree that every political establishment needs its apple cart upset with some regularity, I don't know how anyone can consider Trump a political outsider. Yeah, he's not the national GOP leadership's dream candidate, but they can very easily reconcile themselves to him if he shows up at the nominating convention with enough delegates in hand. But more fundamentally, Trump's whole career is a testament to the efficacy of "crony capitalism," or if you prefer, "socialism for your friend$." Trump is expert at playing the political game for his own advantage: he's been doing it for better than three decades.

        Donald Trump said Thursday that his experiences fighting zoning restrictions on his skyscrapers in New York City were more difficult than nearly any potential legislative battles he might have with Congress as president.

        Trump Tower was supposed to be a 30 story building. It was zoned for 30 stories next to Tiffany, he said. Its 68 stories.

        He also cited Trump World Tower, built opposite the United Nations, which he said he fought zoning rules to build to 72 stories.

        Trump was responding to a voters question at a town hall here about how hed work with an obstructionist Congress.

        We have to get along with them, he said. Ive dealt with politicians all my life.

        "Trump: New York City zoning fights tougher than dealing with Congress," by Kyle Cheney, Politico-dot-com, 4 Feb 2016
        Does that sound like an outsider to you?
        I was married for two ******* years! Hell would be like Club Med! - Sam Kinison

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Karri View Post
          Isn't that what every politician promises?
          Probably yes - but the silent suggestion is mostly " ..my spectacular set of different properties will "change things" ..."

          I'm the first black to be elected, the first Irishman, the first women etc..

          none of that matters - obviously.

          In this case it would be the first candidate to be elected while being actively opposed by both US parties.

          That WILL make a difference imho, it will remove the fatalism from the US American electorate and show them it's possible to vote *for* someone, and not just pick "...the lesser of two evils".
          Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
            While I agree that every political establishment needs its apple cart upset with some regularity, I don't know how anyone can consider Trump a political outsider. Yeah, he's not the national GOP leadership's dream candidate, but they can very easily reconcile themselves to him if he shows up at the nominating convention with enough delegates in hand. But more fundamentally, Trump's whole career is a testament to the efficacy of "crony capitalism," or if you prefer, "socialism for your friend$." Trump is expert at playing the political game for his own advantage: he's been doing it for better than three decades.



            Does that sound like an outsider to you?

            Trump is all of the above,

            in addition he's loud, obnoxious, predictable, repetitive, ugly and probably Irish, but none of that matters -

            He's the candidate that runs *against* the established political industry, and that may just be his significance in US political history.

            Can't be worse than Obama - now can it

            In eight years this too will pass, but the political landscape will have changed dramatically - hopefully for the better.


            Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Game.

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