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    Who do you expect to be the next President?
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    Clinton
    47.92%
    23
    Trump
    33.33%
    16
    Other
    18.75%
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  • #2
    I voted other. I'm hoping Trump can be derailed. If not were going to have our first female president.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by 17thfabn View Post
      I voted other. I'm hoping Trump can be derailed. If not were going to have our first female president.
      I agree 100%.
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      • #4
        Ditto, nothing against females, my mom was one but Hillary...thing is tRumps scares me even more.
        "Ask not what your country can do for you"

        Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

        you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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        • #5
          From here, it looks a lot like you will have a choice of evils, though you probably won't be able to claim that it won't matter who will win.
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          • #6
            I expect this will be one of the more hard fought and close elections of modern times.

            It will be a lot more 'dirty' in the end.

            The masses will vote for Trump. Another clinton in the whitehouse will see america laghed off the foreign policy platform altogether..

            Mrs clinton had her run at Secretary of State. The fallout from those years is more than obvious.

            I also think this election might well see the 'gun vote' brought to the fore. Both sides will make big promises they can't keep.

            Anybody whose tired of Mexico and their one way immigration policy will vote for Trump. Thats likely to be Texas for starters, and California for another.

            A journalist pointed out tonight that this race is far from over in both camps, and if Ted Cruz can get his act together, he could still steal the Republican nomination back from the Brink of Trump.

            she based this on the number of delgates that Trump has, only eighty odd, and there are 1700 altogether.
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            • #7
              Tuesday I plan to take a Democratic ballot and vote for Sanders.

              I think that within a week or two we will see a stock market surge, as people start to expect Clinton as President. That doesn't mean the market will go up because people are happy about it, but it is my experience that once people/investors think they know who will win, people make their plans, as it were.

              I think there is an element of Americans - including me - who will view Trump as dangerous in the sense Nixon was - thinking the laws and rules and conventions don't apply to him. And re Nixon, Trump doesn't have a visible record as a Senator, VP, Presidential candidate, etc. as Nixon did. I think we could see "revelations" coming about Trump if he does in fact appear to be ahead in a general election. These could come from people on the inside - something like in the sense of military intelligence, or elements of it(Woodward etc.) , moving against Nixon when he got out of control.

              I think at some point you will see Bill and Hillary sit down with a sympathetic interviewer, and Bill will essentially promise not to be a distraction as First Husband. I think there are many people -including me - who really don't want to see that circus.

              Say what you will about Clinton - she proved her toughness coming back after 2008, serving as Secretary of State, and during this campaign.

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              • #8
                Remind me the choice we had between Sarkozy and Hollande..
                The nervous or the inept ?
                That rug really tied the room together

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                • #9
                  I want neither clinton or trump. That being said I will vote against shillary.
                  Credo quia absurdum.


                  Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                  • #10
                    I don't think Clinton or Sanders can make the tough decisions that the U.S. needs to make as it's Global dominance declines. They will both want to increase domestic spending and the only way to do that is to give the Banksters a free hand which is a moral hazard that has corrupting influence that should not be underestimated. Their other option would have been to nationalize the financial sector as Marxist in Britain are suggesting but that cannot happen.

                    The comparison to Nixon is absurd, Trump is not vested in the political system and his ego is as far as I can tell is not vested in a legacy. Winning the election will stroke his ego enough that what happens afterwards will be much less important to him than any president in history in terms of how he sees himself.

                    As far as the character issues go it's time we shake off the instinct to look for a paternalist figure to lead us. The model of government in which the state is vested in an individual is best illustrated by Russia. The modern age above any other factor requires competence something that I do not see as an primary attribute of either Sanders nor Clinton. That is not to say that Trump's business record is so amazing that no one can question his competence but only that there is some sort of record.

                    I don't like Trump but then I didn't like most of the people I supported for advancement in my occupation. Donald Trump has an IQ of 156 which like it or not represents a measure of competence. That said the last President in that range was probably the disaster Charter. Charter was also a business man of sorts but he represented the old paternalistic patterns of his ancestors. Trumps style is New York business which is a much better match to the modern world but it is very abrasive. As I said I don't pick people because I like them but most often because there are no better choices.

                    The best way to sum up Trump compared to the other choices is "the only thing to fear is fear itself". In a time of crisis you cannot go with the status quo. For me Clinton and Sanders represent more of the same failed programs with a slightly different political spin. The thing that make Trump scary is the total lack of a plan but that is his strength because as every negotiator knows you cannot show your hand. The important people we have to negotiate with are not going to respect Clinton or Sanders and will see them as weak. In these dangerous times the one thing we cannot appear to be is weak. The reason the bluff works is not because your opponent thinks you have a better hand but because they question their own hand. Trump would beat Clinton or Sanders any day of the week at poker.

                    The world in which we would elect Trump is not the world I would want to live in but it is the world we live in. I would like expanded social programs and a kinder and gentler foreign policy but would have to ignore the reality that the risks of pursuing those policies is to high. The government is already bankrupt and the economy is based on a Bankster fantasy. When I see people from Europe and it's satellites decry Trump I feel they do not see that we stand on the edge of the abyss of the decline of western civilization. The total lack of appreciation of how the banksters have manipulated world finance so that Asia provides the wealth that the socialist masses enjoy is freighting. Not only do we export our slave labor to Asia but our pollution.

                    The vast majority of the people in the U.S. and Europe are simply not productive but fill positions created by bureaucracy for bureaucracy. The disadvantage live at a higher standard of living than 90 percent of the rest of the world and are more like the people of Rome calling for more bread and circus than an oppressed minority. Almost all of the acclaimed increased productivity is related to the computer age not the work of individuals.

                    It's time to swallow the pill of reality and make the hard choices.
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                    • #11
                      Although I despise all that Hillary and Sanders stand for I had to pick the Hillary. Reason is that there are two many "the world owes me" voters that perceive a non-Democrat will take away their perceived entitlements. Then you have those that can't see the real truth behind the interaction in the area of law enforcement (yeah I'm afraid to say what I'm actually thinking). Then you have the Unions, especially the public service unions, that are afraid their rice bowls will get broken. The Democrats are experts at generating and utilizing the division they create among the voting population. So now I'm really going to open up myself by saying that the Democrats produce sheeple that use their ears vice their eyes and brains to determine who to vote for.

                      Do I seem pissed off and disgusted with the direction this country is headed? Yeah, enough to vote for Trump even if he is a charlatan. The conservatives seem to have gonads during the primaries but turn into eunuchs afterwards. If Trump wins the Republican nomination he will probably lose the general election, just as any conservative will, but at least I can say we went down swinging.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 17thfabn View Post
                        I voted other. I'm hoping Trump can be derailed. If not were going to have our first female president.
                        Trump will absolutely obliterate Hillary, mark my words. He can even win states like NY. Voter turnout will be massive.

                        The left's core will be downtrodden and disillusioned from the Bernie defeat.

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                        • #13
                          I'm hoping for 'Other'. Neither Clinton, nor Trump, are fit to sit in the Oval Office. However, that's never been a qualification to run for President. I'm not happy about the direction the country is going.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Drusus Nero View Post
                            I expect this will be one of the more hard fought and close elections of modern times.

                            It will be a lot more 'dirty' in the end.

                            The masses will vote for Trump. Another clinton in the whitehouse will see america laghed off the foreign policy platform altogether..

                            Mrs clinton had her run at Secretary of State. The fallout from those years is more than obvious.

                            I also think this election might well see the 'gun vote' brought to the fore. Both sides will make big promises they can't keep.

                            Anybody whose tired of Mexico and their one way immigration policy will vote for Trump. Thats likely to be Texas for starters, and California for another.

                            A journalist pointed out tonight that this race is far from over in both camps, and if Ted Cruz can get his act together, he could still steal the Republican nomination back from the Brink of Trump.

                            she based this on the number of delgates that Trump has, only eighty odd, and there are 1700 altogether.
                            If Cali goes Trump that would nail it. Close election but if Dems lose those electoral votes its armageddon for the Dem party.

                            Then likely armageddon for Reps 4 years later.
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                            • #15
                              I am praying for other but suspect it will be one of the top two. Which I honestly can't say.
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