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  • Trump, Sanders victorious in New Hampshire primaries

    MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders swept to victory in Tuesday's New Hampshire primaries, adding crucial credibility to their upstart candidacies and underscoring voters' insistence on shaking up American politics.

    While New Hampshire is known for its political surprises, Trump and Sanders led in the state for months. Still, both needed to deliver on expectations after second-place finishes in last week's leadoff Iowa caucuses, where Ted Cruz topped the Republican field and Hillary Clinton narrowly edged Sanders in the Democratic race.
    AP - Full Article

  • #2
    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    Good, it's over, now we can quit hearing about the Heroin Apocalypse in NH now that the media, the interest, and the five day attention span is gone
    Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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    • #3
      Can you imagine the abuse that the clinton staff are taking right now. shillary isn't known to be a graceful loser...
      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • #4
        Seen from here ,I cannot understand ,while I am thinking it is a good thing ,this attraction of the youthness for Sanders .
        Just like they're lacking in the image of a father.
        That rug really tied the room together

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sebfrench76 View Post
          Seen from here ,I cannot understand ,while I am thinking it is a good thing ,this attraction of the youthness for Sanders .
          Just like they're lacking in the image of a father.
          Given the fact that shillary is known as a angry mean greedy old witch they didn't have much of a choice. IMO. (Apologies to witches. Btw...)

          Also Sanders has a history as being more honest and out for the little guy.
          Credo quia absurdum.


          Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
            Given the fact that shillary is known as a angry mean greedy old witch they didn't have much of a choice. IMO. (Apologies to witches. Btw...)

            Also Sanders has a history as being more honest and out for the little guy.
            Sanders is an interesting relic.

            He's a holdover from the 60s New Left just chugging along. He's been around so long his politics have come full circle, and like fashion what was once passé and out of touch has become new and exciting.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
              Sanders is an interesting relic.

              He's a holdover from the 60s New Left just chugging along. He's been around so long his politics have come full circle, and like fashion what was once passé and out of touch has become new and exciting.


              I suspect that part of Sander's success is due to the fact that Hillary is an awful candidate. The more people see of her, the less they like her.
              I'm betting that this campaign will follow the same trajectory as the one in 2008.
              Just an opinion.
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              Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                I suspect that part of Sander's success is due to the fact that Hillary is an awful candidate. The more people see of her, the less they like her.
                I'm betting that this campaign will follow the same trajectory as the one in 2008.
                Just an opinion.
                Sanders is no Obama. He doesn't have the same appeal on a personal level.

                The best comparison would probably be between Sanders and Ron Paul - both are old white guys with fringe beliefs who attract a passionate following from a variety of sources, most notably the young, but who struggle to find mainstream appeal.

                The difference here is that where Ron Paul ran against multiple acceptable candidates within his own party, Sanders is only against one "acceptable" candidate - and she's might not possess that edge for long.

                Truth be told, Sanders wouldn't stand a chance if the Dems hasn't tried to ordain Hillary as their candidate from the beginning. One could imagine that if Paul had only one other republican to compete against - and unsavory one at that - he might have also found greater success.

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                • #9
                  I understand that a lot of people dislike the caricature that is Trump and almost pity Sanders the passe' aged figure. Honestly I could vote for either one.

                  Our financial institutions have run amuck under Republicans and the political correctness that the Democrats indorse is undermining our social institutions. If either of these things got fixed the U.S. would be a better place. Both however could do a lot of damage Trump in foreign relations and Sanders if he expands the failed welfare state.
                  We hunt the hunters

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                  • #10
                    Early suggestion is that Trump won the independent vote. Some discussion of the wider implications too in this Telegraph article

                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Hampshire.html
                    Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                      Sanders is no Obama. He doesn't have the same appeal on a personal level.

                      The best comparison would probably be between Sanders and Ron Paul - both are old white guys with fringe beliefs who attract a passionate following from a variety of sources, most notably the young, but who struggle to find mainstream appeal.

                      The difference here is that where Ron Paul ran against multiple acceptable candidates within his own party, Sanders is only against one "acceptable" candidate - and she's might not possess that edge for long.

                      Truth be told, Sanders wouldn't stand a chance if the Dems hasn't tried to ordain Hillary as their candidate from the beginning. One could imagine that if Paul had only one other republican to compete against - and unsavory one at that - he might have also found greater success.
                      More importantly, Sanders in the primary elections is vying for votes from a party that is now largely Progressive. That is, he's working votes from his portion of the political spectrum.
                      I think Shrillary is seen by that same spectrum as a false god if you will. That is, many Democrats know enough about her to believe she's only a Progressive when it benefits her and really not one of them most of the time, but rather just a self-serving politician and congenital liar.

                      I really think she's in for a rude shock in the next few primaries when women and minorities don't flock to her like she thinks they will. Instead, Progressives will go for Sanders who is clearly "The real deal."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        More importantly, Sanders in the primary elections is vying for votes from a party that is now largely Progressive. That is, he's working votes from his portion of the political spectrum.
                        I think Shrillary is seen by that same spectrum as a false god if you will. That is, many Democrats know enough about her to believe she's only a Progressive when it benefits her and really not one of them most of the time, but rather just a self-serving politician and congenital liar.

                        I really think she's in for a rude shock in the next few primaries when women and minorities don't flock to her like she thinks they will. Instead, Progressives will go for Sanders who is clearly "The real deal."
                        Except that to many Democrats, Sanders is also a wingnut candidate in the same way Cruz can put people off who aren't far-right. Sanders has a bit of the populist appeal to angry liberals in the same way Trump does to the right, but he's got less competition.

                        There are plenty of angry democrats out there slinging the same **** about their party not doing enough, being too much like the other guys, abandoning their values, being stooges to the mainstream, etc. Both sides have a body of very angry voters who aren't satisfied with the status quo - people who are willing to vote beyond their normal political boundaries in an effort to get "change".

                        That's how we could end up with a right-wing populist fighting a left-wing socialist in an American presidential election. And it is awesome.

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                        • #13
                          I thought sanders was hard core commie type. And we all know "better dead than red"
                          you think you a real "bleep" solders you "bleep" plastic solders don't wory i will make you in to real "bleep" solders!! "bleep" plastic solders

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                            I thought sanders was hard core commie type. And we all know "better dead than red"
                            Naw, he's a vestige of the New Left. A political anachronism finding a new voice in angry times.

                            Revolution and radical change thrives when people are angry and suspicious. And right now, the one common thread in America is anger: at politicians, at corporations, at the other guys, at our "heroes", etc. etc.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                              I thought sanders was hard core commie type. And we all know "better dead than red"
                              No, Sanders is more pink than red. Now I really dislike communism but Sanders is more like the European centrist than a red diaper doper baby.
                              Credo quia absurdum.


                              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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