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  • Why is Islamic Slavery not taught in schools?

    The horror of western European involvement in slavery is widely taught but little mention of Islam's role in the slave trade is every mentioned by anyone other than scholars. You don't need to be an apologist for western culture to wonder if there is bias at our universities. This kind of intellectual dishonesty is so common now that you have wonder if our universities are places of education or if they are now political indoctrination camps.

    Even if you are a socialist you have to wonder why what is essentially a discredited work of philosophy is among the top three assigned books in economics at U.S. universities. I'm talking about the "Communist Manifesto" of course. While right wing conspiracy theorists may suggest that it is clear evidence of the enemy within I would only suggest that political correctness and ethnic diversity as expressed on our campuses reflect an uncanny resemblance to cultural Marxism. Exposing young minds to ideology without proper historical and intellectual background is unexcusable and likely to produce distorted results.

    I believe that nothing condemns the current intellectual atmosphere on our campuses more than the failure to address the gross violations of human rights expressed in Islam by feminist and other social activist. Islam is a totalitarian system of authoritarian political hierarchy. Here I'm focused on slavery but women's rights and the dictatorship of the caliph should not be ignored.

    Teaching western involvement in slavery without historical context may be justified on the grounds that people have to be shocked into a moral revolution. That is not however representative of how Universities are suppose to operate. Giving young people a biased view of the world is the more likely result.

    Moving on now to the topic of discussion for this thread.

    We often hear that quoting "radical" Islamist distort the true nature of Islam to those people I can only say they have not read the history of Islam carefully. The radicals in fact are only an honest representation of what the text contain. The same could be said of fundamentalist Christians but that is another thread. With that in mind I want to start with the following quote.

    “Slavery is a part of Islam… Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam… [Those who argue that slavery has been abolished are] ignorant, not scholars. They are merely writers. Whoever says such things is an infidel.”

    Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan, member of Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabia’s highest religious body (2003)

    "Some historians estimate that between A.D. 650 and 1900, 10 to 20 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders. Others believe over 20 million enslaved Africans alone had been delivered through the trans-Sahara route alone to the Islamic world.

    Dr. John Alembellah Azumah in his 2001 book, The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa estimates that over 80 million Black people more died en route."

    http://freethoughtnation.com/islams-...cy-of-slavery/

    It is also well known among scholars that Islamic slavers took at least 1 million slaves from Europe.

    "A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far greater number than had ever been estimated before."

    https://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

    The invasion of Europe by Muslims is hardly ever mentioned in news reports that talk about how the crusades left an indelible hatred of the west in the Middle East. The first crusade was however unequivocally an act of defense. If the history of western dominance was accurate how could such a "super" power continue to be unable to defend against slave traders into the 18th century. The abuse of the Middle East in the 19th and 20th century is of course a story of European dominance but from a historical point of view it is a recent development in which the tables have been turned. Western dominance of the Middle East is more the story of how an expansionist and militaristic ideology eventually burned itself out than anything to do with relative moral values.

    I of course do not claim to be an expert on history of the Middle East and would be interested in having the "facts" I presented checked.
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    I'm surprised that much of anything on the subject is taught or leaned which is more important. That Arabs and other African were as much slave traders as the European/Americans is the start of the stick and not the end. We seem to be concentrated on the direct repercussions in the Americas.

    For those that have difficulty in reading that is the Americas, North, South and Central not just the US
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    • #3
      It muddies the narrative. Slavery/civil rights is a BIG part of the public school history curriculum and anything that complicates the story they're trying to tell, especially to young students who wouldn't understand the intricacies of it all, is unacceptable. They need to learn the "right" things after all.
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      • #4
        A very good question and well covered in this article

        http://en.europenews.dk/Islams-Count...ves-87620.html
        Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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        • #5
          A very good argument can be made that ignorance of this fact lead directly to the "Nation of Islam" in the US and the later conversion of Malcolm X to mainstream Islam. The latter seemed impressed with the brotherhood of Islam on his pilgrimage but was apparently unaware of how recently slavery existed in Saudi Arabia.

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          • #6
            Slavery in the education system seems to be in two forms.
            1. The slavery in the ancient world.
            2. Slavery in North America and the Carabean I. E. British and American only.

            There is rarely any mention of slavery in Islamic countries or slavery in Latin America. And nothing what so ever about slavery in India or further east.
            "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Surrey View Post
              Slavery in the education system seems to be in two forms.
              1. The slavery in the ancient world.
              2. Slavery in North America and the Carabean I. E. British and American only.

              There is rarely any mention of slavery in Islamic countries or slavery in Latin America. And nothing what so ever about slavery in India or further east.
              Clearly this is some sort of conspiracy to make America & Europe look bad by insisting on teaching things that mainly relate to....America & Europe! Bastards!!!

              I look forward to similar threads decrying the lack of teaching on the War of the Triple Alliance; Chinese history 1000 BC - 1000 AD; the Empire of the Marathas; the spread of Hinduism in Sth East Asia; The Solomonic Dynasty of Ethiopia (who loved them some slaves well into the C20th); and the sailing feats of the Maccasans.

              Of course, we know none of those threads are going to appear because there isn't a politically motivated segment of the population who is going to whine & agitate about it. Non-teaching of issues that have SFA to do with their societies is only important when it can be constructed as some kind of 'plot' against that society. Pathetic doesn't begin to describe this stuff.

              For the record, I am passionately supportive of the teaching of history and would support a decent 'world history' curriculum. People should know something about what the rest of the world has been doing for the past 5000 years. Slavery under Islam doesn't exactly loom large in that history, but by all means mention it. Of course, none of that is going to happen and nobody will care. In fact, I'd be prepared to bet some of those who think we should teach about Islamic slavery would jump up & down about 'wasting student's time' if such a curriculum were implemented.

              Meanwhile, try to get the teaching of history that actually has something to do with the societies we live in right. We struggle enough with that.
              Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Escape2Victory View Post
                A very good question and well covered in this article

                http://en.europenews.dk/Islams-Count...ves-87620.html
                You think Hispanic culture is some sort of outgrowth of Islamic culture. You don't get a vote on issues relating to history.
                Human beings are the only creatures on Earth that claim a god and the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one - Hunter S. Thompson

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                • #9
                  Well, at least the part with the Barbary wars should be. Something between 300 and 500 US sailors, citizens of the United States, were enslaved because the Barbary pirates took their ships. That resulted in the United States' first war.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                    Clearly this is some sort of conspiracy to make America & Europe look bad by insisting on teaching things that mainly relate to....America & Europe! Bastards!!!

                    I look forward to similar threads decrying the lack of teaching on the War of the Triple Alliance; Chinese history 1000 BC - 1000 AD; the Empire of the Marathas; the spread of Hinduism in Sth East Asia; The Solomonic Dynasty of Ethiopia (who loved them some slaves well into the C20th); and the sailing feats of the Maccasans.

                    Of course, we know none of those threads are going to appear because there isn't a politically motivated segment of the population who is going to whine & agitate about it. Non-teaching of issues that have SFA to do with their societies is only important when it can be constructed as some kind of 'plot' against that society. Pathetic doesn't begin to describe this stuff.

                    For the record, I am passionately supportive of the teaching of history and would support a decent 'world history' curriculum. People should know something about what the rest of the world has been doing for the past 5000 years. Slavery under Islam doesn't exactly loom large in that history, but by all means mention it. Of course, none of that is going to happen and nobody will care. In fact, I'd be prepared to bet some of those who think we should teach about Islamic slavery would jump up & down about 'wasting student's time' if such a curriculum were implemented.

                    Meanwhile, try to get the teaching of history that actually has something to do with the societies we live in right. We struggle enough with that.
                    This is exactly the kind of misrepresented history I was trying to address. You would have to be pretty dull think that 8 centuries of Arab slave trade had no effect on later European slave trade in Africa. In fact I would say it is because the true history of the mediterranean runs counter to the idea of European superiority that that history was traditionally so poorly taught. Paradoxically the liberal institutions can now exploit past European historical bigotry to paint an unrealistic view of the world.

                    And yes there is a conspiracy to suppress any negative aspects of non European cultures in our media and universities. The perversion of human rights, which is a western invention, to promote a political agenda of ethnic diversity shows a degree of duplicity that no educated person should tolerate.

                    The personal attacks by venomous liberals, like the above post, only strengthen the view that reality has to be twisted to conform with their political agenda. Thankfully a few liberals are now seeing the light and are no longer allowing themselves to be muzzled by political agendas. Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins are just a few of the respected liberal scholars who have been brave enough to address Islam for what it is. For their effort they too are now painted by many liberals as irrelevant or politically befuddled.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wolfhnd View Post
                      This is exactly the kind of misrepresented history I was trying to address. You would have to be pretty dull think that 8 centuries of Arab slave trade had no effect on later European slave trade in Africa. In fact I would say it is because the true history of the mediterranean runs counter to the idea of European superiority that that history was traditionally so poorly taught. Paradoxically the liberal institutions can now exploit past European historical bigotry to paint an unrealistic view of the world.

                      And yes there is a conspiracy to suppress any negative aspects of non European cultures in our media and universities. The perversion of human rights, which is a western invention, to promote a political agenda of ethnic diversity shows a degree of duplicity that no educated person should tolerate.

                      The personal attacks by venomous liberals, like the above post, only strengthen the view that reality has to be twisted to conform with their political agenda. Thankfully a few liberals are now seeing the light and are no longer allowing themselves to be muzzled by political agendas. Steven Pinker, Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins are just a few of the respected liberal scholars who have been brave enough to address Islam for what it is. For their effort they too are now painted by many liberals as irrelevant or politically befuddled.
                      Almost nothing is more guaranteed to excite Liberal sensibilities than this subject because it destroys so much of their narrative. Some of the most vicious responses I ever got on the net were in response to posting 'the Countless Slaves of Islam'.
                      Ne Obliviscaris, Sans Peur

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                      • #12
                        I don't think any slavery beyond slavery in the Americas was ever taught in any of my public schools. Perhaps there was mentioning of slavery in the Roman Empire, and a small discussion about serfdom, but there was not any serious examination of slavery in Africa or Asia, and maybe a light glossing over of it in Europe.

                        But then, non-American history is not exactly a primary area of focus. When you try to cram "World History" into six months, you have to cut a lot.

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                        • #13
                          Because it would not enhance the selective political agenda of those in power.

                          Blacks, for example,. refuse to face the historical truth that they were sold into slavery in the first place by their black neighboring tribes and sold to slave traders, and that a number slave traders were blacks themselves.

                          Actual history has become a political inconvenience.
                          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                            I don't think any slavery beyond slavery in the Americas was ever taught in any of my public schools. Perhaps there was mentioning of slavery in the Roman Empire, and a small discussion about serfdom, but there was not any serious examination of slavery in Africa or Asia, and maybe a light glossing over of it in Europe.

                            But then, non-American history is not exactly a primary area of focus. When you try to cram "World History" into six months, you have to cut a lot.
                            No, you don't. The little airheads just have to study for a change.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Well, at least the part with the Barbary wars should be. Something between 300 and 500 US sailors, citizens of the United States, were enslaved because the Barbary pirates took their ships. That resulted in the United States' first war.
                              American history in schools goes colonial period -> revolution -> civil war. Anything between those moments is mentioned in passing at most.

                              If the school is in Texas, be sure to insert a sizable bit about the Texas War of Independence in there as well.

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