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  • #31
    One must remember that a lot of voters are turned off by the current politicians in Washington and the media in general. They see Trump as standing up to FNC as a plus, just as they see him as a political outsider. I don't think Trump not being at the debate will have much affect on his standing. Of course I could be wrong, I did tilt a pinball machine back in 1961 at the gedunk at NTC San Diego
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    • #32
      Originally posted by FTCS View Post
      One must remember that a lot of voters are turned off by the current politicians in Washington and the media in general. They see Trump as standing up to FNC as a plus, just as they see him as a political outsider. I don't think Trump not being at the debate will have much affect on his standing. Of course I could be wrong, I did tilt a pinball machine back in 1961 at the gedunk at NTC San Diego
      It could actually be a brilliant move.

      Right now only Fox has the rights to broadcast the debate... But anyone else can broadcast Trumps own even going on at the EXACT SAME TIME.

      So yeah, it could be a brilliant move.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
        "The Donald" will not participate in FOX network's Republican debate. Or, so he says today. Anyone got any ideas about how this will turn out in the end? I think he'll show up if only to antagonize Rush Limbaugh and make fun of Megyn Kelly.
        I say good riddance! Every time I here him speak I feel like I've lost a few I.Q. points.

        To his core supporters he can do no wrong. But I think his not showing up will have a slight effect on the undecided voters that will work against him.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by FTCS View Post
          One must remember that a lot of voters are turned off by the current politicians in Washington and the media in general. They see Trump as standing up to FNC as a plus, just as they see him as a political outsider. I don't think Trump not being at the debate will have much affect on his standing. Of course I could be wrong, I did tilt a pinball machine back in 1961 at the gedunk at NTC San Diego
          Agreed, for the most part. He's speaking the language of hate and discontent. I think his followers will be all over it like a fat kid on a toilet seat. I'm leary of anyone who gains followers that way. Anyone can bitch, I want to hear some solutions.

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          • #35
            Trump is an absolute genius. Played Fox and the media like a fiddle.

            He is simply on another level.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Biscuit View Post
              Agreed, for the most part. He's speaking the language of hate and discontent. I think his followers will be all over it like a fat kid on a toilet seat. I'm leary of anyone who gains followers that way. Anyone can bitch, I want to hear some solutions.
              He's given us (some) solutions, he just hasn't given us a clear path to how he will obtain those solutions.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Charger View Post
                Trump is an absolute genius. Played Fox and the media like a fiddle.

                He is simply on another level.
                Trump is not a genius, he is a blowhard gasbag that plays to the lowest common denominator ( angry people that talk a lot of smack and actually don't vote) he may be on another level, the level that gets another fu---ng democrat in to the white house.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                  I think even Hillary has a better chance of beating Trump or any Republican for that matter, than Bernie does. I don't believe anyone who describes themself as a socialist can win a general election in this country. Trump scares people but Sanders would scare them more.
                  Looks more and more like Hillary may not make it. She's just too corrupt (along with all her other failings), and that is becoming a major issue legally. It does not matter if the DoJ does not indict her, she could face impeachment the moment she takes the oath of office. That will turn many Democrats toward Sanders if nothing else. Sanders may be a lefty, but he is an honest lefty.

                  Trump is scary because he comes off as bat **** crazy to many people, and pretty much all Democrats...and he will need to win some of them in order to win the general election. Besides, he (with Cruz) has already urinated away the Hispanic vote, and no GOP candidate is going to win without garnering at least 35% of that demographic. Romney, who was no where near as nativist as Trump (or Cruz) only got 25%. That "stupid and incompetent" George Bush received 40%. I'm not sure how Cruz scores amongst women, but Trump has all but POed that electorate as well, and the XXs now make up more than 50% of the entire vote. As an anecdote, I know one woman, life long Republican married to a retired Presidential aide (also GOP), and who absolutely HATES Hillary, she will vote for HRC before she would ever vote for Trump. That is "The Donald's" problem.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                    I never understood that logic. Why would you vote for someone who stands for things you don't just because of their personality? Does it make you feel better if they seem nice and relatable as they attack everything you believe in?

                    If a leftist ran for office in Hell I'd at least cast a vote in favor of the devil.
                    If I don't like somebody it is for a reason. That is usually the case with other folk as well. What if the guy who "supports" your position is unqualified, incompetent, and generally looney? You vote for the person best qualified for the job. Look at Obama. If people voted for the guy best qualified to do the job instead of the guy whom they BELIEVED, because they liked his politics (and sorry to say this Conservatives, you ARE in a minority) then Romney would have been the President. There is more to being President than ideological factors. In my opinion, Bernie Sanders, whom I am radically opposed to ideologically, is a better man for the job than either Trump or Cruz, but not enough for either Bush or Kasich. Maybe a wash with an edge in experience with Rubio, but in that case ideology plays a greater role in the decision making process in that particular case.

                    I would say that voting for either Donald or Cruz in the primaries would be a wasted vote, because they simply have ticked off/scared too much of the electorate to secure their vote in the general.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by 17thfabn View Post
                      I say good riddance! Every time I here him speak I feel like I've lost a few I.Q. points.

                      To his core supporters he can do no wrong.
                      Am I the only one that finds that a tad worrisome?

                      But I think his not showing up will have a slight effect on the undecided voters that will work against him.
                      At the very least it makes him look cowardly...the exact opposite of the image he has been selling.

                      This information is nearly a month old now, but as for Iowa, Trump may have a real issue. I was told that he had less than 50 workers in Iowa, whereas Cruz had over 2000. Given that it is a caucus state, and worker bees are important in physically getting out the vote (one of Obama's specialties FWIW) Trump may well feel that he can get away with not going to the "last debate before Iowa" because he has already written it off as a loss.

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                      • #41
                        Trump was right... the election should not revolve around Megyn Kelly.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                          He's given us (some) solutions, he just hasn't given us a clear path to how he will obtain those solutions.


                          Have you not been paying attention? He said he was going to make a deal. He is Donald Trump and he knows how to make a deal, a really good deal, a great deal. He knows how to do a deal and even wrote a book about it.

                          Obviously his books about deals are educational and even entertaining.

                          The current POTUS was a writer and won the last two elections. His books were basically 5 versions of Mein Kampf:

                          Dreams from My Father
                          The Audacity of Hope
                          Of Thee I Sing
                          Change We Can Believe In
                          Barack Obama in His Own Words
                          Flag: USA / Location: West Coast

                          Prayers.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Salinator View Post


                            Have you not been paying attention? He said he was going to make a deal. He is Donald Trump and he knows how to make a deal, a really good deal, a great deal. He knows how to do a deal and even wrote a book about it.
                            Yes, his "deal" is sounding great... when he gets around to those details about it.

                            Obviously his book about deals are educational and even entertaining.
                            And priced very competitively.

                            The current POTUS was a writer and won the last two elections. His books were basically 5 versions of Mein Kampf:

                            Dreams from My Father
                            The Audacity of Hope
                            Of Thee I Sing
                            Change We Can Believe In
                            Barack Obama in His Own Words
                            The current POTUS is a hack. But I'm not concerned with a lame duck president as much as the guy filling his shoes.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                              Yes, his "deal" is sounding great... when he gets around to those details about it.


                              He cannot give you more details in order to protect all of us from banishment from the UK due to inside trading.

                              And priced very competitively.
                              I sure it is because he knows how to make deals. Would you please buy me copy?

                              The current POTUS is a hack. But I'm not concerned with a lame duck president as much as the guy filling his shoes.
                              Donald Trump has the hair of an alpha mallard.
                              Flag: USA / Location: West Coast

                              Prayers.

                              BoRG

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Salinator View Post


                                He cannot give you more details in order to protect all of us from banishment from the UK due to inside trading.
                                He's a giver.

                                I sure it is because he knows how to make deals. Would you please buy me copy?
                                I'm waiting for Trump to buy us all copies - or make us buy copies.

                                Donald Trump has the hair of an alpha mallard.
                                And the body of a union manager.

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