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  • #16
    ya think?

    I'm wondering whether the National Republican Committee purposely staged the FOX/Megyn Kelly debate in order to either cause Trump to exclude himself or to tempt him to engage in comments that may harm his standing with the electorate? Or has this debate been chiseled in stone for months? It's fairly well known that the RNC would like to have anyone but "The Donald" be their nominee.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
      Fair enough. That's actually the first logical and well thought out answer to that question I've ever gotten. Usually its along the lines of "He just seems more likeable" or "I could have a beer with him."
      In the grand scheme of things, personal likability is a perfectly reasonable reason to vote for someone.

      Sanders is a Ron Paul-like figure - people can hate his politics, but he comes off as a guy who will be honest about his beliefs and isn't going to sugar-coat his beliefs to win votes.

      Not saying it's true, just that if your choice is between documented liars and scum balls like Hillary and Trump, someone who seems more honest might win support from a burned electorate. Optimism is a great motivating figure.

      It's why I haven't counted Sanders out yet. With all of Hillary's baggage, and considering Trumps surprise success, it's too soon to say he can't win the nomination, considering she's his only opposition.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
        I'm wondering whether the National Republican Committee purposely staged the FOX/Megyn Kelly debate in order to either cause Trump to exclude himself or to tempt him to engage in comments that may harm his standing with the electorate? Or has this debate been chiseled in stone for months? It's fairly well known that the RNC would like to have anyone but "The Donald" be their nominee.
        According to congress, it's anybody but Cruz.

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        • #19
          Its almost funny watching Fox go into full melt-down over Trump dumping the the debate.... or rather, the Megyn.

          Almost.
          I'm switching to the Blaze.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
            Three reasons.

            1) it would be hilarious.

            2) it would be a big middle finger to Trump supporters.

            3) it would help devide the Democratic Party and - hopefully - break off its more moderate wing in the next election.

            After all, this hypothetical means I have to choose between two parties I despise and two ideologies I disagree with, so might as well vote for the one that gives me the greatest personal benefit.

            And besides, the GOP still runs congress, and unlike lots of folks I don't think every election is a decision between preventing the apocalypse or not. So I don't think either Trump or Samders will destroy America and the like.

            And this is why I say you are a leftest. You mouth the words “small government” and yet you would vote for the guy that wants to raise the tax rate to 95% for top earners, as well as bring massive new programs under the control of the government.

            This election may not be a make or break for the country but each time the government expands it becomes harder to reduce it's size before it is.
            Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedy. -- Ernest Benn

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
              I'm wondering whether the National Republican Committee purposely staged the FOX/Megyn Kelly debate in order to either cause Trump to exclude himself or to tempt him to engage in comments that may harm his standing with the electorate? Or has this debate been chiseled in stone for months? It's fairly well known that the RNC would like to have anyone but "The Donald" be their nominee.
              From what I hear, Trump and the NRC have reached accords.

              Trump is just keeping up his Wildman underdog rebel persona.

              According to the polls, its working so far.

              I don't like him, but he's better than either Democrat. And it might be nice to have a Prez who actually knows something about economics.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                And this is why I say you are a leftest. You mouth the words “small government” and yet you would vote for the guy that wants to raise the tax rate to 95% for top earners, as well as bring massive new programs under the control of the government.

                This election may not be a make or break for the country but each time the government expands it becomes harder to reduce it's size before it is.
                And that's why I say you're projecting to suit your own preconceived notions. But I don't expect you to believe that - evidently you know more about my political views than I do.

                Does asking you who would you rather vote for, a fascist or a Marxist, prove that you're a fascist or a Marxist?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                  Three reasons.

                  1) it would be hilarious.

                  2) it would be a big middle finger to Trump supporters.

                  3) it would help devide the Democratic Party and - hopefully - break off its more moderate wing in the next election.

                  After all, this hypothetical means I have to choose between two parties I despise and two ideologies I disagree with, so might as well vote for the one that gives me the greatest personal benefit.

                  And besides, the GOP still runs congress, and unlike lots of folks I don't think every election is a decision between preventing the apocalypse or not. So I don't think either Trump or Samders will destroy America and the like.
                  So how hilarious will it be if Sanders actually win because people voted against Trump's personality? Will you be laughing when massive social programs are being implemented?

                  Many people who voted for Obama because they thought Sarah Palin was stupid are feeling mighty stupid themselves now eight years later.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                    So how hilarious will it be if Sanders actually win because people voted against Trump's personality? Will you be laughing when massive social programs are being implemented?

                    Many people who voted for Obama because they thought Sarah Palin was stupid are feeling mighty stupid themselves now eight years later.
                    I'm going to be stuck with a Democrat or a Republican this year anyway.

                    Maybe, just maybe, having a terrible president from one of those parties - and the resulting damage and chaos they could cause, according to some alarmists - is what I would want since it could finally convince people that voting in more statist "the government is the solution" candidates is a bad thing.

                    I'm not a "band aids are better forever" person. I dislike both parties, see both of them as already heading down the wrong path, so why not vote for the most divisive and alienating candidates available?

                    If it was Hillary vs Trump and I had to pick one of those, I'd absolutely go Trump (for the same reasons above, just reworded). Neither candidate is going to support my politics, neither candidate is protecting my freedoms and rights, so in this case, why not go for the candidate most likely to offend the alarmists if I'm not allowed to vote as I want?

                    Of course, the more realist observer would note that Sanders would still have to contend with a GOP congress, making the odds of lots of legislation being passed less likely than if Trump was in office.

                    And since neither of those parties are going to pass any legislation I actually support, I'm better off if the government is fractured and fighting itself than if it were all lock-step behind the leader.

                    Plus, it's just funny.

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                    • #25
                      You mean Socialists don't know how to issue executive orders? We have a Socialist now in office that already made a mockery out of that privilege.

                      Sanders will screw our economy even more than Obama did.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                        You mean Socialists don't know how to issue executive orders? We have a Socialist now in office that already made a mockery out of that privilege.

                        Sanders will screw our economy even more than Obama did.
                        And when your goal is to see both major parties broken and driven before you so you can hear the lamentations of their women, what benefits you more: a nice, stable nation with a strong economy, or a broken state full of bitter recriminations?

                        And people still seem to be forgetting that this is all a hypothetical. I'm not going to be voting for Sanders. But if someone is putting a gun to my head, taking away my right to choose and forcing me to vote for one of two candidates... oh yeah, you better believe I'll vote for the crazy hilarious candidate.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
                          And when your goal is to see both major parties broken and driven before you so you can hear the lamentations of their women, what benefits you more: a nice, stable nation with a strong economy, or a broken state full of bitter recriminations?

                          And people still seem to be forgetting that this is all a hypothetical. I'm not going to be voting for Sanders. But if someone is putting a gun to my head, taking away my right to choose and forcing me to vote for one of two candidates... oh yeah, you better believe I'll vote for the crazy hilarious candidate.
                          Come on, even a caveman would know that Trump would be better for the economy. Any Republican would be better for the economy than a Socialist. It is in the best interest for everyone except Socialists and many libprogs to have a strong economy.

                          I'll take that bullet in the head before I vote for a Socialist or Communist. Same long term results so better to die on your feet than to beg for handouts on your knees.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                            Come on, even a caveman would know that Trump would be better for the economy. Any Republican would be better for the economy than a Socialist. It is in the best interest for everyone except Socialists and many libprogs to have a strong economy.

                            I'll take that bullet in the head before I vote for a Socialist or Communist. Same long term results so better to die on your feet than to beg for handouts on your knees.
                            I wouldn't trust a socialist to run a lemonade stand, much less the nation.

                            But that's sorta the point. If my goal is to see the democrats and the republicans lose some of their share of the electorate, who is the best candidate to accomplish that between Trump and Sanders?

                            Remember, you can't vote for who you want, you have to vote for one of those two - and even death or abstaining isn't an option.

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                            • #29
                              It will be sad day if this country elects a Socialist. There's nothing funny about not having a solid statesman running for office. That being said, the modern political machine ensures that no statesman will ever run for office.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                                You mean Socialists don't know how to issue executive orders? We have a Socialist now in office that already made a mockery out of that privilege.

                                Sanders will screw our economy even more than Obama did.
                                Who hasn't screwed our economy at this point? Bush did twice over, then Obama, now it's someone else's turn. Honestly we're looking at a bunch of different candidates who will ruin the country in different ways. Pick your poison.

                                Bernie may ruin the economy, though I think he's selling a lot of false hope and knows he can't act on much of what he has proposed. On the other hand we can go with Trump who will ruin... everything. International relations, war efforts, the constitution, etc etc..
                                "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                                - Benjamin Franklin

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