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    Sorry guys, but this is just wrong, if the FBI monitored a website that published this sick crap I would not have a problem, but to actually run a web site and post this stuff? That just raises to many questions.
    Like, how did the agents get this stuff? Were they taking the pictures?


    The operation — whose details remain largely secret — was at least the third time in recent years that FBI agents took control of a child pornography site but left it online in an attempt to catch users who officials said would otherwise remain hidden behind an encrypted and anonymous computer network. In each case, the FBI infected the sites with software that punctured that security, allowing agents to identify hundreds of users.

    The Justice Department acknowledged in court filings that the FBI operated the site, known as Playpen, from Feb. 20 to March 4, 2015. At the time, the site had more than 215,000 registered users and included links to more than 23,000 sexually explicit images and videos of children, including more than 9,000 files that users could download directly from the FBI. Some of the images described in court filings involved children barely old enough for kindergarten.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...ages/79108346/
    Last edited by Salinator; 23 Jan 16, 14:14.
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    They didn't post the material. They busted the site's operators and took over the site. Thanks to innovative viral programs they identified tens of thousands of kiddie porn clients.

    It is controversial, but in 30 days they ID'd more of these sick bastards than conventional tactics would in two years.

    More importantly, as news of this spreads (and believe me, these people pass intel on enforcement actions incredibly swiftly) it will create a great deal of fear.

    The Net has been a pedophile's dream. Tactics like this may offset some of that.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
      They didn't post the material. They busted the site's operators and took over the site. Thanks to innovative viral programs they identified tens of thousands of kiddie porn clients.

      It is controversial, but in 30 days they ID'd more of these sick bastards than conventional tactics would in two years.

      More importantly, as news of this spreads (and believe me, these people pass intel on enforcement actions incredibly swiftly) it will create a great deal of fear.

      The Net has been a pedophile's dream. Tactics like this may offset some of that.
      What he said.

      It is near impossible to catch these people without doing something that someone is going to find unpleasant. Putting aside the convictions that can be obtained here - justification enough - this will be an information gold mine. By identifying users authorities all over the world can in turn check who they have been contacting & where they have been visiting. This won't just catch people who view kiddie porn, it will catch people who produce it & people who physically abuse kids.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
        Sorry guys, but this is just wrong, if the FBI monitored a website that published this sick crap I would not have a problem, but to actually run a web site and post this stuff? That just raises to many questions.
        Like, how did the agents get this stuff? Were they taking the pictures?



        The operation — whose details remain largely secret — was at least the third time in recent years that FBI agents took control of a child pornography site but left it online in an attempt to catch users who officials said would otherwise remain hidden behind an encrypted and anonymous computer network. In each case, the FBI infected the sites with software that punctured that security, allowing agents to identify hundreds of users.

        The Justice Department acknowledged in court filings that the FBI operated the site, known as Playpen, from Feb. 20 to March 4, 2015. At the time, the site had more than 215,000 registered users and included links to more than 23,000 sexually explicit images and videos of children, including more than 9,000 files that users could download directly from the FBI. Some of the images described in court filings involved children barely old enough for kindergarten.

        http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...ages/79108346/
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
          They didn't post the material. They busted the site's operators and took over the site. Thanks to innovative viral programs they identified tens of thousands of kiddie porn clients.

          It is controversial, but in 30 days they ID'd more of these sick bastards than conventional tactics would in two years.

          More importantly, as news of this spreads (and believe me, these people pass intel on enforcement actions incredibly swiftly) it will create a great deal of fear.

          The Net has been a pedophile's dream. Tactics like this may offset some of that.
          OK, no stop it. This is the SECOND time you've been the voice of reason, facts and information on a bull **** post by Urban hermit. You'll make him mad if you keep it up.

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          Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
          Of cabbages—and kings—
          And why the sea is boiling hot—
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Combat Engineer View Post
            OK, no stop it. This is the SECOND time you've been the voice of reason, facts and information on a bull **** post by Urban hermit. You'll make him mad if you keep it up.

            AJ never makes me mad.
            My statement was that if they monitored a website I would have no problem, in this case they took it over and kept it up.
            Question, CE, if law enforcement busted a heroin ring or a meth lab and kept it going, selling more poison on the streets for a month or two, then busting users would you be ok with that?
            I see a conflict.
            Just like the program that supplied guns to the drug cartels, it's one thing to monitor, observe, track and arrest, even inserting and undercover agent into a illegal operation to secure a good bust.
            But to either supply the guns or drugs or porn is, to me, very close to the edge.
            If they did bust some of the sickos and it ended in a conviction, great, but I fear a good attorney could claim entrapment.
            Last edited by Urban hermit; 23 Jan 16, 12:25.
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            • #7
              Typical sting operation. Feebs have posed as drug dealers, gun runners and assassins for hire, so why would this upset the public?

              Of course, it makes me wonder why they can't try and stop the Nigerians, the hackers, the scammers and all of the other thieves, perverts and criminals on the American internet, but...


              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                AJ never makes me mad.
                My statement was that if they monitored a website I would have no problem, in this case they took it over and kept it up.
                Question, CE, if law enforcement busted a heroin ring or a meth lab and kept it going, selling more poison on the streets for a month or two, then busting users would you be ok with that?
                I see a conflict.
                Just like the program that supplied guns to the drug cartels, it's one thing to monitor, observe, track and arrest, even inserting and undercover agent into a illegal operation to secure a good bust.
                But to either supply the guns or drugs or porn is, to me, very close to the edge.
                If they did bust some of the sickos and it ended in a conviction, great, but I fear a good attorney could claim entrapment.
                By keeping the site up, they nabbed many more of the scumbags than normally possible. It's not fair to compare this with a drug operation, and certainly not Fast and Furious.

                It's certainly not a pleasant tactic, but the most effective ones aren't generally pleasant.
                Last edited by Gixxer86g; 23 Jan 16, 13:24.
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                • #9
                  Well, somebody's go to do it!

                  I mean, after all, the ATF gets to sell cigarettes and guns to criminals and the DEA sells drugs to dealers...

                  It's all in the name of supplying... err, catching criminals after all!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                    AJ never makes me mad.
                    My statement was that if they monitored a website I would have no problem, in this case they took it over and kept it up.
                    Question, CE, if law enforcement busted a heroin ring or a meth lab and kept it going, selling more poison on the streets for a month or two, then busting users would you be ok with that?
                    I see a conflict.
                    Just like the program that supplied guns to the drug cartels, it's one thing to monitor, observe, track and arrest, even inserting and undercover agent into a illegal operation to secure a good bust.
                    But to either supply the guns or drugs or porn is, to me, very close to the edge.
                    If they did bust some of the sickos and it ended in a conviction, great, but I fear a good attorney could claim entrapment.
                    Not the same situation. With drugs they're not that interested in getting the end user. In Child Porn they are as it is a much different buy and sell situation.

                    A proper example, rather than the one above, would be if the FBI intercepted a shipment at the border, should they let it go through and track it through the next couple levels? Sure and they do, many, many times a year.
                    “The time has come,” the Walrus said,
                    “To talk of many things:
                    Of shoes—and ships—and sealing-wax—
                    Of cabbages—and kings—
                    And why the sea is boiling hot—
                    And whether pigs have wings.”
                    ― Lewis Carroll

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                      You need to start reading the stuff that you post.
                      ....and spoil our fun? C'mon, leave the guy alone.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                        ....and spoil our fun? C'mon, leave the guy alone.
                        He needs to read my introduction to the stuff I post.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                          He needs to read my introduction to the stuff I post.
                          Actually, you just need to read & understand the stuff you post more carefully. However, if you did that you wouldn't be nearly as amusing. If it makes you feel any better not reading stuff you link to is not unusual around here. Plenty of folk just read the headline.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BF69 View Post
                            Actually, you just need to read & understand the stuff you post more carefully. However, if you did that you wouldn't be nearly as amusing. If it makes you feel any better not reading stuff you link to is not unusual around here. Plenty of folk just read the headline.
                            I did read it. As I pointed out, I am uneasy about the fact that the FBI took over the operation of the website and kept it up.
                            I said if they just monitored it, I have no problem. The system would have recorded the IP Addresses of the users. They could easily rounded up the pervers.
                            How many new images were posted between the time the FBI took over s d the time they took it down.
                            Rather like busting a pimp, but keeping the brothel running, even though the former operators kept excellent records.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                              I did read it. As I pointed out, I am uneasy about the fact that the FBI took over the operation of the website and kept it up.
                              I said if they just monitored it, I have no problem. The system would have recorded the IP Addresses of the users. They could easily rounded up the pervers.
                              How many new images were posted between the time the FBI took over s d the time they took it down.
                              Rather like busting a pimp, but keeping the brothel running, even though the former operators kept excellent records.
                              You say the FBI could have got all the information just by monitoring the site. The FBI people who monitor the internet for a living think they could get more from running the site for a while.

                              Who to believe?
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