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    For possible Democratic Primary Voters, your choice: Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders?
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    Hillary Clinton
    5.56%
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    Bernie Sanders
    52.78%
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    Other
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  • #2
    I might take a democratic ballot rather than a republican in the Massachusetts primary. If I do, I will vote for Sanders. I think the most important think is to not have Clinton or Bush as President. Bush has no chance.

    I'm not sure I will vote democratic - if Clinton has it wrapped up by Massachusetts, I will probably vote republican.

    But I think Sanders is gaining ground now - he has a good chance in New Hampshire.

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    • #3
      I'm a independent so I'm planning on voting against shillary. Anyone other than her...
      Credo quia absurdum.


      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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      • #4
        The mood I've been getting in a lot of online communities is that they'd prefer Bernie for his policies, but that Hilary will almost certainly win the primaries and has a good chance of going on to win the election more generally.

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        • #5
          The only way Hilliary will not win the Democrat's primary is if she is in a orange jump suit and even then she still has a good chance. Says something about some of the US voters doesn't it.
          Too Much To Do Too Little Time

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          • #6
            Terrible foreign policy with Hillary or terrible domestic policy in Sanders. Pick your poison. Thankfully I won't have to make that decision
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • #7
              Why the demoscats will vote for trump in the primary to throw the election, why not vote for sanders in return?

              The real reason is that we need some good leadership for a change. But I don't see it happening as we are played yet again. And again.

              I'm convinced that party politics is going to be the ruin of this nation. Stop voting party and start voting for the best person.
              Credo quia absurdum.


              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
                For possible Democratic Primary Voters, your choice: Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders?
                If the choice is Democratic OR Republican, I have to go with the GOP and as far as the DNC is concerned, no matter which of these two social parasites they select, I'm opposed to both pieces of socialist deadwood!

                My "other" is anything other than the "Socialist Democrats of Amerika" and their "kommissars"!
                TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                • #9
                  If Jim Webb was on the ballot, I might cross over to vote for him in the Democratic primary. However, he won't be and this is the first time in a long time that my vote in the Texas GOP primary will actually matter. So, there is zero chance that I will vote in the Democratic primary.

                  The only real difference between Sanders and Clinton is that Bernie is honest about being a Marxist. Ted Cruz would destroy either of them in every topic in every debate... of course, Nixon kicked Kennedy's @$$ in their debate and lost the election. Marco Rubio won't need to win the debates to win the general election and Trump will not be the GOP nominee.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                    Why the demoscats will vote for trump in the primary to throw the election, why not vote for sanders in return?

                    The real reason is that we need some good leadership for a change. But I don't see it happening as we are played yet again. And again.

                    I'm convinced that party politics is going to be the ruin of this nation. Stop voting party and start voting for the best person.
                    I would love too............however there has not been a "best person" for decades.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jeffdoorgunnr View Post
                      I would love too............however there has not been a "best person" for decades.
                      Sadly I agree, I am in the same Boat, as far as I am concerned the same applies for this year.
                      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                      • #12
                        I am probably the direct opposite of most here. I wouldn't vote for the GOP to clean out a cesspool with soda straws. I plan on voting for Sanders, Hillary is just a Republican minus the Social Issues Baggage. If Hillary does win the Democratic nomination it will be 3rd party time again.

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                        • #13
                          If socialism means more like Sweden and less like it has been here the last quarter-century, maybe it ain't so bad. I don't see why people are so afraid of the word, especially when they love another word, capitalism, which we surely don't have. Some people are so afraid of a word, but not Big Brother.

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

                          excerpt

                          Overview




                          Flags of the Nordic countries


                          "The Nordic Model - Embracing globalization and sharing risks" characterises the system as follows:[10]
                          • An elaborate social safety net in addition to public services such as free education and universal healthcare.[10]
                          • Strong property rights, contract enforcement, and overall ease of doing business.[11]
                          • Public pension plans.[10]
                          • Low barriers to free trade.[12] This is combined with collective risk sharing (social programs, labour market institutions) which has provided a form of protection against the risks associated with economic openness.[10]
                          • Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[10]
                          • Low levels of corruption.[10] In Transparency International's 2014 Corruption Perceptions Index all five Nordic countries were ranked among the 12 least corrupt of 176 evaluated countries, and Denmark, Finland, Sweden and Norway all ranked within top 5.[13]
                          • High percentage of workers belonging to a labour union. In 2010, labour union density was 69.9% in Finland, 68.3% in Sweden, and 54.8% in Norway. In comparison, labour union density was 12.9% in Mexico and 11.3% in the United States.[14] The lower union density in Norway is mainly explained by the absence of a Ghent system since 1938. In contrast, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all have union-run unemployment funds.[15]
                          • A partnership between employers, trade unions and the government, whereby these social partners negotiate the terms to regulating the workplace among themselves, rather than the terms being imposed by law.[16] Sweden has decentralised wage co-ordination, while Finland is ranked the least flexible.[10] The changing economic conditions have given rise to fear among workers as well as resistance by trade unions in regards to reforms.[10] At the same time, reforms and favourable economic development seem to have reduced unemployment, which has traditionally been higher. Denmark's Social Democrats managed to push through reforms in 1994 and 1996 (see flexicurity).
                          • Sweden at 56.6% of GDP, Denmark at 51.7%, and Finland at 48.6% reflect very high public spending.[12] One key reason for public spending is the large number of public employees. These employees work in various fields including education, healthcare, and for the government itself. They often have lifelong job security and make up around a third of the workforce (more than 38% in Denmark). Public spending in social transfers such as unemployment benefits and early-retirement programmes is high. In 2001, the wage-based unemployment benefits were around 90% of wage in Denmark and 80% in Sweden, compared to 75% in the Netherlands and 60% in Germany. The unemployed were also able to receive benefits several years before reductions, compared to quick benefit reduction in other countries.
                          • Public expenditure for health and education is significantly higher in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway in comparison to the OECD average.[17]
                          • Overall tax burdens (as a percentage of GDP) are among the world's highest; Sweden (51.1%), Denmark (46% in 2011),[18] and Finland (43.3%)
                          • The United Nations World Happiness Report 2013 shows that the happiest nations are concentrated in Northern Europe. The Nordics ranked highest on the metrics of real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, generosity and freedom from corruption.[19]
                          • The Nordic countries received the highest ranking for protecting workers rights on the International Trade Union Confederation's 2014 Global Rights Index, with Denmark being the only nation to receive a perfect score.[20]
                          Last edited by lakechampainer; 16 Jan 16, 16:36.

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                          • #14
                            Overall tax burdens (as a percentage of GDP) are among the world's highest; Sweden (51.1%), Denmark (46% in 2011),[18] and Finland (43.3%)
                            No thank you. Our tax rates are already too high. Mind you these countries don't even have a yearly military bill of $600 billion. Sander's proposals simply would not work without drastic cuts and significant increases in tax rates. I'm fine with reasonable cuts and reducing wasted spend (he would have to go way further than just that), however I personally cannot support any tax increases.
                            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                            - Benjamin Franklin

                            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
                              Why the demoscats will vote for trump in the primary to throw the election, why not vote for sanders in return?

                              The real reason is that we need some good leadership for a change. But I don't see it happening as we are played yet again. And again.

                              I'm convinced that party politics is going to be the ruin of this nation. Stop voting party and start voting for the best person.
                              Fear of Sanders actually winning the Presidency? I honestly don't know who is worse between him and Hillary, from my perspective anyway, so I'm staying out of it.

                              The two party system, especially being driven by lobbyist will definitely be our downfall. Personally, I go wherever the most libertarian and anti-war candidate is. Right now that's republican in Rand Paul.
                              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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