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  • #46
    Originally posted by Selous View Post
    Well at least that's over.

    What's ne- oh.

    And now that this is done he will waste millions of tax payer's money traveling around the country campaigning in support of his Democratic party. What a guy.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      That's why he's called a Progressive! He Progressively made things worse.
      There's a label doing the rounds now which I hope takes off, to describe the people that in America I think you call 'liberals' yet they want to ban everything: Illiberal regressives; or ; the illiberal left. Because they're certainly not classical liberals, and their progressivism seems mixed up in things like segregation...sorry, 'safe spaces'
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      • #48
        Yeah they hijacked the word liberal without really understanding what it meant. I guess they figured it sounds better than internationalist enviro-socialist.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
          Yeah they hijacked the word liberal without really understanding what it meant. I guess they figured it sounds better than internationalist enviro-socialist.
          If you use the term 'cultural marxist', even if it fits in some cases, you get accusations of conspiracy theory concerning the Frankfurt school, too.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Selous View Post
            If you use the term 'cultural marxist', even if it fits in some cases, you get accusations of conspiracy theory concerning the Frankfurt school, too.
            Yeah but they think everything that doesn't agree with them is a conspiracy. Question global warming? Conspiracy! Mention the dangers of Islamism? Islmophobic conspiracy! Ask any questions about Hillary Clinton? Sexist conspiracy! Suggest that something should be done about illegal immigrantion? Racist conspiracy! See the pattern?
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            • #51
              Absolutely; remember, if you disagree with a woman, you're a misogynist, if you disagree with a black man, you're a racist.

              And, to be fair, I think it is a minority of the hardliners, your average American democrat, I have to believe (to keep sane) doesn't think like that. Most people seem fairly rational whether they're a bit right, or a bit left; it's these activists and the radicals, as ever, who screech loud about this kind of thing. Campuses seem particularly susceptible.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Selous View Post
                Absolutely; remember, if you disagree with a woman, you're a misogynist, if you disagree with a black man, you're a racist.
                This is the direct by-product of PCism.

                Originally posted by Selous View Post
                And, to be fair, I think it is a minority of the hardliners, your average American democrat, I have to believe (to keep sane) doesn't think like that. Most people seem fairly rational whether they're a bit right, or a bit left; it's these activists and the radicals, as ever, who screech loud about this kind of thing. Campuses seem particularly susceptible.
                I suppose then it becomes a case of identifying just what particular shade of a color someone may be. It becomes convoluted then, when so many beliefs seems to all vote for one member and/or party, but would otherwise differ slightly on many other issues. Numbed ideologues are a different story altogether. While I see many variations of a certain set of political values, there are those who defend their party line to the absolute hilt. This usually is identified by a strong sense of denialism of said party's faults. I've noticed as well, that the worse the problem is, the stronger protectionism the ideologues will offer. The off-shoot of this is predictable: if the definition itself becomes indefensible.....then change the definition.

                Mind you, I see this occurring on both sides of the political spectrum, but given the technology afforded to us at the present, we seem to surrounded by it from all sides, though from my own POV, I've observed this denial/defense behavior coming more from the Left. We become much more aware that the "my ideology, right or wrong" are more present than ever, though I'm not certain it is as prevalent as the medias would have us believe. This forum has it's share of ideological die-hards as well....right down to the denialism of historically factual oppression and even atrocities.

                But for a case and point of the blinded ideologue, I offer this gem of very recent:

                The View's Joy Behar: "I’d Vote for a Rapist as Long as They’re Liberal"

                http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/...#.atnjqof:Wh6z

                I'm curious how this fit in or around the current definition of Progressive Liberalism? My money says it's all over it.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Selous View Post
                  Absolutely; remember, if you disagree with a woman, you're a misogynist, if you disagree with a black man, you're a racist.

                  And, to be fair, I think it is a minority of the hardliners, your average American democrat, I have to believe (to keep sane) doesn't think like that. Most people seem fairly rational whether they're a bit right, or a bit left; it's these activists and the radicals, as ever, who screech loud about this kind of thing. Campuses seem particularly susceptible.
                  I agree with you in principal but the problem is that the hardliners control the party and are doing their best to push the PC narrative on the country as a whole because it suppresses any kind of anti-democrat dissent as "hate speech" of some kind.
                  "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                  • #54
                    Has someone seen the faces of the JCOS when he said : America is the most powerful nation on earth and there is no danger ?

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                    • #55
                      Inside any liberal,there is a totalitarian,screaming to get out .

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                      • #56
                        That's because liberal doesn't really mean liberal anymore. I talked about this in a post earlier today. Classic liberalism is more what we'd call libertarian today. Modern liberals are more accurately called socialists and internationalists than anything. So yes you're right as those are tyrannical ideologies.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by asterix View Post
                          This is the direct by-product of PCism.



                          I suppose then it becomes a case of identifying just what particular shade of a color someone may be. It becomes convoluted then, when so many beliefs seems to all vote for one member and/or party, but would otherwise differ slightly on many other issues. Numbed ideologues are a different story altogether. While I see many variations of a certain set of political values, there are those who defend their party line to the absolute hilt. This usually is identified by a strong sense of denialism of said party's faults. I've noticed as well, that the worse the problem is, the stronger protectionism the ideologues will offer. The off-shoot of this is predictable: if the definition itself becomes indefensible.....then change the definition.

                          Mind you, I see this occurring on both sides of the political spectrum, but given the technology afforded to us at the present, we seem to surrounded by it from all sides, though from my own POV, I've observed this denial/defense behavior coming more from the Left. We become much more aware that the "my ideology, right or wrong" are more present than ever, though I'm not certain it is as prevalent as the medias would have us believe. This forum has it's share of ideological die-hards as well....right down to the denialism of historically factual oppression and even atrocities.

                          But for a case and point of the blinded ideologue, I offer this gem of very recent:

                          The View's Joy Behar: "I’d Vote for a Rapist as Long as They’re Liberal"

                          http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/...#.atnjqof:Wh6z
                          Good post Asterix,

                          I don't know if you're familiar with the online commentary organisation (I'd hate to use the term news as that implies actual journalism) - The Young Turks?

                          This is very much similar to how they've been dealing with the recent events in Cologne. I don't mean to post too much Sargon about ACG, but I think this highlights it really well:

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwzULfWMe4


                          I'm curious how this fit in or around the current definition of Progressive Liberalism? My money says it's all over it.
                          As Frisco and I were saying earlier'; they're more like totalitarians. There's some people now using the term 'illiberal regressives/progressives' now to explain this PCism amongst what we used to call 'Social Justice Warriors' but that's a more informal term. I think the term 'illiberal regressives' does well to differentiate them from the classically liberal or perhaps even what was considered 'progressive' a little way back.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by asterix View Post
                            The View's Joy Behar: "I’d Vote for a Rapist as Long as They’re Liberal"
                            American politics in a nutshell.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Selous View Post
                              There's a label doing the rounds now which I hope takes off, to describe the people that in America I think you call 'liberals' yet they want to ban everything: Illiberal regressives; or ; the illiberal left. Because they're certainly not classical liberals, and their progressivism seems mixed up in things like segregation...sorry, 'safe spaces'
                              They call themselves "Progressives" here but they are often referred to as the Regressive Left. They want a return to the industrial age when the Proletariat knew their place and intellectuals in high places knew what was good for everyone and things like the press and information were controllable...

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                              • #60
                                The View's Joy Behar: "I’d Vote for a Rapist as Long as They’re Liberal"

                                Just a modern version of what I still call "a Yellow Dog Democrat"!
                                Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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