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  • America's secret space program, true or ?

    I ran across this story today on the Seattle PI, really don't know what to think,
    What say you?
    Turns out there was a secret military space program designed to put a manned station in orbit for more than a month at a time in order to spy on the Russians (and who knows for sure what else) ... and it nearly worked.
    If the idea had worked then perhaps our night sky would be punctuated by military space stations instead of the one civilian-focussed International Space Station. Thank NASA, effective spy satellites, ICBMs and the Vietnam War for its demise.
    The program — publicly called the Manned Orbiting Laboratory and secretly called Dorian* within a government organization named the National Reconnaissance Office, whose existence was itself classified until 1992 — existed from 1963 until 1969. When newly elected President Richard Nixon killed its budget, the MOL/Dorian program had spent more than $1.5 billion.
    The program had also test-launched its rocket design and had nearly begun full-scale production of the orbiting space craft (see photos above). Its recruiting and training was so effective and extensive, that many of its engineers and astronauts went to work for NASA, flew Space Shuttle missions and/or took up major positions in government ...


    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/scien...ce-6730497.php
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  • #2
    It was a real program. Nova did an episode on it.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/astrospies.html

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    • #3
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      It was a real program. Nova did an episode on it.

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/astrospies.html
      Thank TA, make me wonder what else we have been up to, (Redsun?)
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      • #4
        Scared me for a second.

        I thought this was about that conspiracy theory where the USN is secretly maintaining dozens of huge spaceships carrying thousands of personnel meant to do battle with UFOs.

        Never mind then.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
          Scared me for a second.

          I thought this was about that conspiracy theory where the USN is secretly maintaining dozens of huge spaceships carrying thousands of personnel meant to do battle with UFOs.

          Never mind then.
          Dracoco, is that you in disguise...?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BobTheBarbarian View Post
            Scared me for a second.

            I thought this was about that conspiracy theory where the USN is secretly maintaining dozens of huge spaceships carrying thousands of personnel meant to do battle with UFOs.

            Never mind then.
            Just a couple. With two working Stargates, the need for actual spacecraft is at a minimum.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
              Just a couple. With two working Stargates, the need for actual spacecraft is at a minimum.
              Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                Just a couple. With two working Stargates, the need for actual spacecraft is at a minimum.
                Though they're considering a Kickstarter to build an Imperial Star Destroyer MkII.....mostly for purposes of scaring any non-serious aliens into leaving the system.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hida Akechi View Post
                  Just a couple. With two working Stargates, the need for actual spacecraft is at a minimum.
                  They've yet to start on the Prometheus?
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                  • #10
                    There was a SF short story about the USAF establishing the first, secret, military base on the moon. Not long after arriving and erecting a dome the three man garrison discover there is another dome of a different design quite close by. Is it the Soviets, is it aliens? One suits up and goes off to investigate. Over his intercom come sounds that indicate that he has clearly been captured by someone or something. The two remaining men decide that it is paramount that they find out what is in the other dome. One gets into the lander and prepares to launch whilst the other remains in the dome. When the others come he will be able to see them and give a description to the man in the lander who will launch at once. When safely in Lunar orbit he can then report to Earth. A figure is sighted approaching the dome - it is their crew mate, He comes through the air lock. "Who is in that dome" he is asked. He replies "The __ing US Navy"
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                    • #11
                      With high resolution film cameras in a polar orbit, where the film canisters were recovered as they were parachuted into the pacific, the more dangerous and expensive manned program was not needed. There was also the U-2 and later the SR-71 Blackbird, two ultra high altitude spy planes that the Soviets were unable to intercept with the technology they had available at the time. The only reason they shot down the U-2 with Francis Gary Powers was because it suffered a flame out and had descended to a lower altitude in an effort to restart its engines.

                      The digital cameras in use today has eliminated the use of film canisters as well as being able to use see through clouds spectrum.

                      Want to see what is out there? Bing Live Earth. Zoom right down to look at your home.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                        It was a real program. Nova did an episode on it.

                        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/astrospies.html
                        Almost eight years ago it seems.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
                          With high resolution film cameras in a polar orbit, where the film canisters were recovered as they were parachuted into the pacific, the more dangerous and expensive manned program was not needed. There was also the U-2 and later the SR-71 Blackbird, two ultra high altitude spy planes that the Soviets were unable to intercept with the technology they had available at the time. The only reason they shot down the U-2 with Francis Gary Powers was because it suffered a flame out and had descended to a lower altitude in an effort to restart its engines.

                          The digital cameras in use today has eliminated the use of film canisters as well as being able to use see through clouds spectrum.

                          Want to see what is out there? Bing Live Earth. Zoom right down to look at your home.
                          Or Area 51, even when it didn't "officially" exist.

                          One item the article points out about this project;
                          "The MOL pilot went on to explain that the Dorian project was essentially designed to "try to add human judgment to this automated capability" of spy satellites of the era."
                          Filling a tech gap of the time ...
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                          • #14
                            People would be amazed at the clarity at which satellites can photograph land tracts. Much cheaper to use these than manned space stations.
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                            • #15
                              Project Horizon: Army Base on the Moon

                              Before MOL/Dorian there was another secret space program/project, this one the sponsor was the US Army, and it was about a dozen years ago, or so that this become more public ...

                              Project Horizon: Army Base on the Moon

                              The Army's quest for the highest high ground was a project whose time never came

                              By Fred L. Borch - September 20, 2015

                              “ … a lunar outpost … is of critical importance to the U.S. Army of the future.” It was March 1959, and Army Lt. Gen. Arthur G. Trudeau, the author of those words, was tasking the Army’s chief of ordnance to develop a proposal for a “manned lunar outpost” that would “protect potential United States interests on the moon.” The story behind this secret study (called “Project Horizon”) and the plan to have an Army base on the moon by 1966, is the story of a great idea whose time has never come.
                              When Trudeau wrote the ordnance chief, it was less than a year after the Soviets had shocked America and the West with the launch of the Sputnik satellite. With the United States now clearly behind in the so-called “Space Race” with the Soviets, it should come as no surprise that Trudeau and other senior Army leaders were thinking about a military presence in outer space in general – and on the moon in particular. In fact, according to a 118-page monograph produced by the Army in June 1959, “to be second to the Soviet Union in establishing an outpost on the moon would be disastrous to our nation’s prestige and in turn to our democratic philosophy.” Since the Soviet Union had already claimed that its citizens – and presumably the Red Army – would be on the moon in 1967, it was urgent for the United States to get there first.
                              The Army concluded that seventy-five Saturn II rocket launches could be achieved by the end of 1964 – with forty of these launches needed to put sufficient Project Horizon equipment into orbit for the lunar base’s construction.
                              The plan was to build a self-sustained moon base that would serve as an outpost for exploration of the moon, and further exploration of space. The base – which would house 10-20 personnel – would be the “first permanent manned installation on the moon” and, perhaps most importantly, would provide a platform for the Army, if required, to conduct “military operations on the moon.”
                              Cover sheet of the Project Horizon proposal. Note the illustration of the Saturn II that the Army planned to employ in building and supplying the moonbase.

                              The Army insisted that there were no known technical barriers to establishing a manned lunar base and believed that Project Horizon “should be a special project having authority and priority similar to the Manhattan Project in World War II.” After all, if America had built the atomic bomb, there was no reason that it could not put a handful of soldiers on the moon. Project Horizon contemplated using the multistage Saturn II rocket, then under actual development, and intermediate orbiting space stations (then only on drawing boards) to ferry construction materials to the moon. The Army concluded that seventy-five Saturn II rocket launches could be achieved by the end of 1964 – with forty of these launches needed to put sufficient Project Horizon equipment into orbit for the lunar base’s construction.
                              ...
                              http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/s...e-on-the-moon/



                              Other sources/info:
                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Horizon
                              http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/lu...thorizon01.htm
                              https://writersguidetogovinfo.wordpr...-base-us-army/


                              As one can see in all this, much of Project Horizon was rolled over into NASA's Project Apollo.
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