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  • New Measures Against Gun Violence Are In

    The new proposals are actually surprisingly reasonable.

    President Barack Obama moved Monday to expand background checks to cover more firearms sold at gun shows, online... Far from mandating background checks for all gun sales, the new guidance still exempts collectors and gun hobbyists
    I'm fine with this loophole being closed. Most online dealers already do background checks anyway.

    The White House also said it planned to ask Congress for $500 million to improve mental health care, and Obama issued a memorandum directing federal agencies to conduct or sponsor research into smart gun technology that reduces the risk of accidental gun discharges.
    Mental health is the core issue here so it's good that this is being brought up as well.

    The Obama administration also plans to complete a rule, already in the works, to close another loophole that allows trusts or corporations to purchase sawed-off shotguns, machine guns and similar weapons without background checks.
    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oba.../ar-AAgk8Nn?li

    All in all pretty reasonable.
    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin

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  • #2
    One has to think. How many people where murderd in the USA with machin guns. Any case you know the Obama haters will still hate this. He cpuld cure cancer and they would hate him.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
      The new proposals are actually surprisingly reasonable.



      I'm fine with this loophole being closed. Most online dealers already do background checks anyway.



      Mental health is the core issue here so it's good that this is being brought up as well.



      http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oba.../ar-AAgk8Nn?li

      All in all pretty reasonable.
      Be warned, people may call you traitor now...

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      • #4
        His proposals are largely meaningless. It's not a matter of whether such measures are necessary or not, but rather about Obama's own incompetence.
        He's boxed in a corner when it comes to this subject. He needs Congress to pass legislation and he's incapable of making that happen due to his own incompetence in political hobnobbing with disparate political views. That is, he can barely talk like-minded congressmen into working with him and stands zero chance of working with any that have different views than his own. His seven years in office clearly show this.

        The result is he's reduced to impotency on many issues, gun control being one of them.

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        • #5
          Since when does the Constitution give the Executive branch the power to write laws?
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          • #6
            Why would congress not support this? O thats right you all care more about whats good forvthe party than the country.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by FTCS View Post
              Since when does the Constitution give the Executive branch the power to write laws?
              These laws are already on the books, they're just closing loop holes in them.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
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              • #8
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                These laws are already on the books, they're just closing loop holes in them.
                Please, they can't even enforce the laws they already have.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                  Why would congress not support this? O thats right you all care more about whats good forvthe party than the country.
                  Well lets first start enforcing the existing laws. The problem is that what the Obama wants doesn't solve anything. All it does is ramp up the Democrats base for the upcoming elections.

                  Unfortunately the Obama probably doesn't have any idea what the existing laws are.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BKnight3 View Post
                    Be warned, people may call you traitor now...
                    That's fine, our pledge of allegiance mentions the flag and country not any particular party.

                    Originally posted by FTCS View Post
                    Well lets first start enforcing the existing laws. The problem is that what the Obama wants doesn't solve anything. All it does is ramp up the Democrats base for the upcoming elections.

                    Unfortunately the Obama probably doesn't have any idea what the existing laws are.
                    No amount of legislation will ever solve this issue. They can ban every weapon under the sun, criminals will just resort to purchasing on the black market the same way they do with drugs. At least his proposal is looking at the core issue which is mental health.

                    You guys go crazy when you think Obama is going to personally show up at your door and disarm you. Then, when the actual legislation is reasonable and something both sides can support, you still complain.
                    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                    - Benjamin Franklin

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FTCS View Post
                      Well lets first start enforcing the existing laws. The problem is that what the Obama wants doesn't solve anything. All it does is ramp up the Democrats base for the upcoming elections.

                      Unfortunately the Obama probably doesn't have any idea what the existing laws are.


                      How is closing loop holes and focussing on mental health a bad thing. I am prety sure a president does not need to know every law. He as people for that.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                        These laws are already on the books, they're just closing loop holes in them.
                        Please list the laws that have loop holes in them that he is trying to close.

                        I suspect you will probably site the gun show issue. Well let's take a look at the law as it stands now. Now there is no loop-hole. The law would have to be re-written. This is not within the powers of the Executive branch.

                        Licensing Requirements (Dealer/Manufacturer/Importer/Exporter):
                        10. At what point should I obtain a Federal firearms license (FFL)? How do I obtain a FFL?
                        Federal law requires a Federal firearms license if you are engaged in the business as a firearms dealer, manufacturer or importer. A person is engaged in those businesses, as it applies to each license type, as follows:
                        1. Manufacturer of firearms -- a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms manufactured (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(A));
                        2. Manufacturer of ammunition -- a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing ammunition as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the ammunition manufactured (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(B));
                        3. Dealer in firearms -- a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms (18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(21)(C));
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                          Why would congress not support this? O thats right you all care more about whats good forvthe party than the country.
                          Because those in Congress have a wide range of views and voter bases back home to consider. There are also purely political considerations to take into account.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by andrewza View Post
                            How is closing loop holes and focussing on mental health a bad thing. I am prety sure a president does not need to know every law. He as people for that.
                            there is no loop-hole in the mental health issue. The person has to be adjudicated as mentally incompetent. Where is the loop-hole you see in the following:
                            Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
                            Take note of the word "adjudicated"...Adjudication is the legal process by which an arbiter or judge reviews evidence and argumentation including legal reasoning set forth by opposing parties or litigants to come to a decision which determines rights and obligations between the parties involved.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                              Because those in Congress have a wide range of views and voter bases back home to consider. There are also purely political considerations to take into account.
                              Those who exploit loop holes are trying to hide somthinh. Probably criminal in nature since the loop hole is about avoiding a background check. Those against better mental healthcare are stupid. Neither groups should be a larg supporter of you.


                              But it as i said. US politicals is not about the nation but lots of people who care about only them selfs.
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