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  • #46
    Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
    What "rigged" means, is that if you do the right thing(work hard, study hard, obey the law, be a good person,etc), you can expect to succeed or better said, you have a good chance of succeeding if you work hard and persevere.
    But that has never been the case. There's two things that matter: money and connections(or influence). If you work had and persevere you will survive, make it to middle class or something. But I would not call that succeeding.
    Wisdom is personal

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Karri View Post
      But that has never been the case. There's two things that matter: money and connections(or influence). I

      f you work had and persevere you will survive, make it to middle class or something. But I would not call that succeeding.
      I think that what most people understand Bernie Sanders to mean is, that the economy is rigged now, much more than it was before, so that the average person cannot get "their piece of the American Dream".

      By definition, most people will not get rich, or make it to the upper class, since by definition, most people cannot be rich, or be in the upper class.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by lakechampainer View Post
        I think that what most people understand Bernie Sanders to mean is, that the economy is rigged now, much more than it was before, so that the average person cannot get "their piece of the American Dream".

        By definition, most people will not get rich, or make it to the upper class, since by definition, most people cannot be rich, or be in the upper class.
        The problem is now, most people will have a hard time making it into what was the Middle Class.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
          I had a perfect business model shut down because I wasn't one of the pc collective. My plan? To hire homeless people and recycle lumber and turn it into shaker furniture. The cost of it was shameless. Next to zero. No wonder the pc crowd hated the idea. I could turn a profit by enabling the lowest of the low. And get them out of their ditch.
          Just how did it get shut down?
          ARRRR! International Talk Like A Pirate Day - September 19th
          IN MARE IN COELO

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          • #50
            I'm not a lefty by any means but it is clear that "Wall Street" uses socialist moral hazards to bail itself out of trouble and print money to resurrect itself in a way we'd all got to jail for. It's sure as hell ain't the free market.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
              Just how did it get shut down?
              Taxed/ fined out of existence. The local paper ran a great story about it, then the city came along and demanded a tax on all my tools, found out that I didn't have a spray booth and gave me two options shut it down or pay 120 grand in fines and penalties.

              I moved it out of the city then sold the name and the plan.
              Credo quia absurdum.


              Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Karri View Post
                But that has never been the case. There's two things that matter: money and connections(or influence). If you work had and persevere you will survive, make it to middle class or something. But I would not call that succeeding.

                Since you appear to have not even accomplished middle class standards, that must make you a failure...



                As to the poll, I voted no.

                I was born lower middle class, and have made it to upper middle class without the help of money or connections. I did better than my parents, which is the actual American Dream. My siblings have likewise moved up the social bar.

                The excuse that the economy is rigged is the justification of failure by those who have made poor choices or failed to apply themselves.
                Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                  • #54
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                    • #55
                      TARP

                      Helped whom?

                      It's rigged, but little new there.
                      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                      • #56
                        Here's an example of how the system is rigged, and rigged by the sort of government Sander's wants more of.

                        You buy a piece of land. You want to put a house on it to live in.

                        First, you have to get building permits. This means you have to have plans drawn in a manner the government will accept. Then you have to pay for the permit, usually thousands of dollars.
                        The plans have to meet building code. While most of that is common sense, there are all sorts of things in it you have to do that are "one size fits all." That adds thousands more to your home's cost.

                        By the time you're done as much as 25% of the cost of your home is meeting government regulation. It may be less, it may be more.

                        Then you get hit with perpetual property taxes which really means you're just a renter from the government anyway...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post
                          TARP

                          Helped whom?

                          It's rigged, but little new there.
                          TARP was crony capitalism helping mostly the politicians and bankers, and some unions, whom invested into the subprime home mortgage scam started a couple of decades earlier to get marginal qualified persons into houses. Too many of the buyers defaulted and the bubble burst. Short thumbnail of the situation.

                          Key point is only half of the allotted extra guv'mint debt load had been spent by time Barry entered POTUS office, and being the wealthstealer/re-distributor (Robbin' boyz of da Hood) he is, decided to spend the un-nneeded funds and then doubt the Nation's debt while at it. He stole from me, my kids, my grandkids, and likely my great grandkids!

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