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  • #16
    Isn't the agreement an non-binding treaty? I think that's how it was negotiated and signed easily like that, as most governments knew it had no chance of surviving the vote in their countries.

    But like Doctor said, Obama will do anything to strangle the life out of fossil fuel industries and destroy what's left of energy infrastructure in USA before heading off to golf in January 2017.
    Major James Holden, Georgia Badgers Militia of Rainbow Regiment, American Civil War

    "Aim small, miss small."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cheetah772 View Post
      Isn't the agreement an non-binding treaty? I think that's how it was negotiated and signed easily like that, as most governments knew it had no chance of surviving the vote in their countries.

      But like Doctor said, Obama will do anything to strangle the life out of fossil fuel industries and destroy what's left of energy infrastructure in USA before heading off to golf in January 2017.
      Except Obama is losing that fight in a pummeling. Oil is down to about $36 a barrel, there's more natural gas than ever, and solar and wind projects look like beached whales going bankrupt and not delivering a fraction of what was promised.
      Even on coal his initiatives have met with disastrous consequences.

      He may be trying but he's doing a pathetically bad job of it.

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      • #18
        I just did a quick estimate and if the liberal sponges got jobs instead of protesting they would have 11 trillion dollars to help the poor.
        We hunt the hunters

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        • #19
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
          Except Obama is losing that fight in a pummeling. Oil is down to about $36 a barrel, there's more natural gas than ever, and solar and wind projects look like beached whales going bankrupt and not delivering a fraction of what was promised.
          Even on coal his initiatives have met with disastrous consequences.

          He may be trying but he's doing a pathetically bad job of it.
          Maobama has successfully stranded about 25 billion barrels of oil and 137 trillion cubic feet of natural gas on Alaska's North Slope and OCS. It may already too late to reverse this damage.
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          • #20
            IIRC, we haven't seen such extreme of science by political consensus in place of data since about 4-500 years ago when the "skeptics" and "deniers" advanced the case for a Sun centered system over the prevailing Earth centered one;
            Copernicus
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus
            Galileo
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
            Bruno
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

            Meanwhile, a few of the Lamestream/MSM articles in the wake of Paris Farce (while ACG was in "down time")
            http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...tvP?li=BBnb7Kz
            http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...1rf?li=BBnb7Kz
            http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...vIi?li=BBnb7Kz
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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            • #21
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              IIRC, we haven't seen such extreme of science by political consensus in place of data since about 4-500 years ago when the "skeptics" and "deniers" advanced the case for a Sun centered system over the prevailing Earth centered one;
              That's kind of how I see it. Those most vociferously advocating the sort of crappola that came out of this latest Progressive Environmentalist confab are the sort of loons that put out junk like this:

              What is Environmental Justice?

              Environmental Justice is the fair treatment and meaningful involvement of all people regardless of race, color, national origin, or income with respect to the development, implementation, and enforcement of environmental laws, regulations, and policies. EPA has this goal for all communities and persons across this Nation. It will be achieved when everyone enjoys the same degree of protection from environmental and health hazards and equal access to the decision-making process to have a healthy environment in which to live, learn, and work.
              http://www3.epa.gov/environmentaljustice/

              Or this:

              http://www3.epa.gov/environmentaljus...ackground.html

              Environmental Justice is the fair treatment and meaningful involvement of all people regardless of race, color, national origin, or income with respect to the development, implementation, and enforcement of environmental laws, regulations, and policies. Fair treatment means that no group of people should bear a disproportionate share of the negative environmental consequences resulting from industrial, governmental and commercial operations or policies. Meaningful involvement means that: (1) people have an opportunity to participate in decisions about activities that may affect their environment and/or health; (2) the publics contribution can influence the regulatory agency's decision; (3) their concerns will be considered in the decision making process; and (4) the decision makers seek out and facilitate the involvement of those potentially affected.

              How Did the Environmental Justice Movement Arise? The environmental justice movement was started by individuals, primarily people of color, who sought to address the inequity of environmental protection in their communities. Grounded in the struggles of the 1960's Civil Rights Movement, this movement sounded the alarm about the public health dangers for their families, their communities and themselves.

              Early in 1990, the Congressional Black Caucus, a bipartisan coalition of academic, social scientists and political activists met with EPA officials to discuss their findings that environmental risk was higher for minority and low-income populations. They alleged that EPA's inspections were not addressing their communities' needs. In response, the EPA Administrator created the Environmental Equity Workgroup in July 1990 to address the allegation that "racial minority and low-income populations bear a higher environmental risk burden than the general population."
              This is just repackaged Marxist and Socialist crap using a new, better sounding name. That's what came out of Paris. The "rich" and "developed" countries have to hand over their wealth to the poor and dispossessed countries (aka "developing") because it's only Fair and Equal that they shouldn't have to put up with climate change.

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              • #22
                What's next? Plate tectonic justice? How about entropy justice?
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                • #23
                  You want the delusional version of this insanity? Here it is!

                  Universal Declaration of Rights of Mother Earth

                  World People’s Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth Cochabamba, Bolivia April 22, 2010

                  Preamble

                  We, the peoples and nations of Earth:
                  considering that we are all part of Mother Earth, an indivisible, living community of interrelated and interdependent beings with a common destiny;
                  gratefully acknowledging that Mother Earth is the source of life, nourishment and learning and provides everything we need to live well;
                  recognizing that the capitalist system and all forms of depredation, exploitation, abuse and contamination have caused great destruction, degradation and disruption of Mother Earth, putting life as we know it today at risk through phenomena such as climate change;
                  convinced that in an interdependent living community it is not possible to recognize the rights of only human beings without causing an imbalance within Mother Earth;
                  affirming that to guarantee human rights it is necessary to recognize and defend the rights of Mother Earth and all beings in her and that there are existing cultures, practices and laws that do so;
                  conscious of the urgency of taking decisive, collective action to transform structures and systems that cause climate change and other threats to Mother Earth;
                  proclaim this Universal Declaration of the Rights of Mother Earth, and call on the General Assembly of the United Nation to adopt it, as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations of the world, and to the end that every individual and institution takes responsibility for promoting through teaching, education, and consciousness raising, respect for the rights recognized in this Declaration and ensure through prompt and progressive measures and mechanisms, national and international, their universal and effective recognition and observance among all peoples and States in the world.
                  http://therightsofnature.org/wp-cont...IL-22-2010.pdf

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                  • #24
                    What gets me is all these people rush off to Paris in their large jet planes, then scoot around town in their large limos,stay in their high end hotels, burn up all sorts of fossil fuel in fuel and heating, stuff their gullets with food then have the cheek to lecture us peons on the waste and threat of higher degree temps..... not forggeting the tax payer who is footing the bill for the whole charade

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                    • #25
                      Exactly!
                      Hypocrisy eludes their consciousness and morality the same way science and math of climate flux eludes their intelligence. Honesty is not their strong suit, especially when there is a political agenda of exclusion for them, power over others and illicit profits to be made.
                      Same shyte
                      Same cast
                      Different day

                      Meanwhile the gullible "gorebots" bow down and lap it up.

                      A group of youth from one of our local "native tribes" flew over to play a part in the circus, part of the local enviro-nazis and their campaign here against carbon fuels/resources and local projects. Would have been more impressed and credible if they'd have paddled their dug-out canoe over to there, as it was, just another taxpayer supported junket to make them "feel good" about doing something for the environment.
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Bow View Post
                        What gets me is all these people rush off to Paris in their large jet planes, then scoot around town in their large limos,stay in their high end hotels, burn up all sorts of fossil fuel in fuel and heating, stuff their gullets with food then have the cheek to lecture us peons on the waste and threat of higher degree temps..... not forggeting the tax payer who is footing the bill for the whole charade
                        Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                          History shows that despots and dictators tend to loot their economies...
                          What is left to loot?
                          Its all fiat currency and debt-shuffling.
                          "Why is the Rum gone?"

                          -Captain Jack

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                            You want the delusional version of this insanity? Here it is!



                            http://therightsofnature.org/wp-cont...IL-22-2010.pdf
                            Gotta love that "indivisible" part!

                            We're about as divided as it is possible to be and not be in another full-out world war.

                            This is just another effort by the socialist crowd including Obama to "divide the wealth" - ours, not his or theirs - and give it away.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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